Gun Control & RKBA

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8. You do not oppose gun ownership at home?

Thu Dec 15, 2011, 01:13 PM

Dec 2011

But you oppose the licensed carry of firearms by civilians in public.

Strangely, statistics show those who have carry permits are the most responsible gun owners and rarely commit crimes that involve a criminal misuse of their firearms.

Florida, for example, has had "shall issue" concealed carry since 1987 and has issued 2,092,966 concealed weapons permits of which 878,174 are currently valid. In that 24 year period of time only 168 carry permits have been revoked because the holder committed a crime with a firearm.
source: http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/news/reports.html (click onMonthly Summary Report [PDF])

Other states have had similar results. Texas publishes a yearly report which compares the total number of convictions for various crimes and lists how many of those crimes involved those who have carry permits. The latest report dated 2009 reveals that of the 2,603 convictions for aggravated assault with a deadly weapon, only 7 were committed by a permit holder. There were a total of 1,845 convictions for aggravated robbery none of which involved a person with a carry permit. 8,443 individuals were convicted of an aggravated assault that caused bodily injury but only 7 had carry permits.

The Texas reports for 2009 and other years can be found at: http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administration/crime_records/chl/convrates.htm)

It's obvious that those who are licensed to carry concealed weapons are not the problem. Those who illegally carry firearms in public are.

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The Silent and Hidden Victims of Gun Violence [View all] mikeb302000 Dec 2011 OP

Clearly we need to ban all guns... for the children! LAGC Dec 2011 #1

Sadly, most gun owners don't care because alternative is restrictions on them buying another weapon. Hoyt Dec 2011 #2

Since my rights are far more important than someone else's feelings... We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #3

Calling them "Insignificant Events" is exactly what I am talking about. Hoyt Dec 2011 #5

They ARE insignificant We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #6

"I'm sorry you have no problem with restrictions on your safety in the name of freedom." discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2011 #11

*sheepishly looking at his feet* We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #13

Yeah... I figured :) n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2011 #15

Although sadly... We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #16

But... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2011 #18

If such a right actually COULD exist.... We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #21

I guess you are ticked you can't own grenades, etc., so you can feel like you are in free society. Hoyt Dec 2011 #19

Not at all. We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #22

Actually, Hoyt, people CAN own grenades. beevul Dec 2011 #27

Go walk down street with one and see what happens -- some little ole lady might tackle you. Hoyt Dec 2011 #30

If i did, you would never know. We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #35

I neither own any grenades, nor have any desire to. beevul Dec 2011 #38

Grenades are a blast DissedByBush Dec 2011 #73

You guess...??? discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2011 #32

Then where do you draw the line? Doctor_J Dec 2011 #12

Yes, we limit things like actions which are explicitly dangerous We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #14

The point has been made... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2011 #17

Why don't you take your "soldier of fortune" attitude and move somewhere you can use it? Hoyt Dec 2011 #20

There is no soldier of fortune attitude We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #25

I think he might be happy in italy rl6214 Dec 2011 #77

You do not oppose gun ownership at home? spin Dec 2011 #8

Tsk tsk tsk We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #9

Similar stats for those who could get permit, but choose not to carry, are even more impressive. Hoyt Dec 2011 #24

No sorry, but they arent. We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #28

We're not talking about "general" population, we are talking about people who could get a permit. Hoyt Dec 2011 #33

That would be the bulk of the general population We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #36

You're missing one very important point ... spin Dec 2011 #40

Your attitude may have changed, but plenty of others' simply changed for the worse. Hoyt Dec 2011 #45

Relating DUers to Klansmen now? Union Scribe Dec 2011 #47

Like I said -- that "peaceful" BS sounds exactly like them. Hoyt Dec 2011 #53

Being racist We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #61

Good point that you should learn. Being legal, doesn't make it right!!!!!!!! Hoyt Dec 2011 #62

Fine - so you don't believe it is right. We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #65

No, carrying guns should not be promoted. Nor should corporate greed (even though it's legal). Hoyt Dec 2011 #67

Nope sure dont. We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #70

so what does gejohnston Dec 2011 #48

Sounds like you're one who's attitude has changed for the worse... We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #49

From your posts I seriously doubt that you actually know many who carry on a regular basis... spin Dec 2011 #59

How odd to apply or eschew application of an attribute of behavior such as peacefulness... slackmaster Dec 2011 #90

Let me straighten it out for you. Hoyt Dec 2011 #91

Millions of people carry guns in this country daily without attracting attention slackmaster Dec 2011 #92

First, some don't tote discretely. 2nd, too many toters make stupid decisions that impact society. Hoyt Dec 2011 #93

Great post, but we should add that in addition to the fact that permit holders are Simo 1939_1940 Dec 2011 #83

Very interesting statistics. Thanks. (n/t) spin Dec 2011 #84

Hoyt, he called them STATISTICALLY insignificant events. Atypical Liberal Dec 2011 #23

They'd be even less statistically significant if we had tighter restrictions on the number of guns Hoyt Dec 2011 #26

Upon what do you base that claim? We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #31

No doubt. Atypical Liberal Dec 2011 #56

... Callisto32 Dec 2011 #80

Why the difference in caring? Atypical Liberal Dec 2011 #29

Simple -- I don' think our parks, restaurants, bars, hospitals, etc., should be polluted by guns. Hoyt Dec 2011 #34

Your opinion is just that...your opinion. We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #37

As yours is "opinion" too along with other 3.7% of society who think carrying guns in public is good Hoyt Dec 2011 #46

Based on the fact... We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #50

Your fellow gun carriers have posted that stats here. Look em up. 3.7% is actually generous. Hoyt Dec 2011 #52

What has been posted is... We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #54

So how many do you think carry guns, and how do you know? Hoyt Dec 2011 #57

Don't care how many carry... We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #60

If you read my posts in other sections, you'll know absurd that is. Hoyt Dec 2011 #64

Don't give a damn that you don't put them on the same level... We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #66

Plenty of things are legal, but immoral, unethical and not in society's best interest. Hoyt Dec 2011 #68

Carrying a firearm... We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #71

Sorry, I think you are wrong. There are many indirect/collateral effects you need to consider too. Hoyt Dec 2011 #79

And what *are* those "indirect/collateral effects"? friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #81

What's wrong with a mink coat? PavePusher Dec 2011 #82

No, really I don't. We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #85

Why? beevul Dec 2011 #39

"polluted"? PavePusher Dec 2011 #44

Good point, KKK did endorse using their guns to intimidate. Hoyt Dec 2011 #69

And those they intimidated.... We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #72

You obviously know little of that time -- they would have lynched a Black man with a gun. Hoyt Dec 2011 #76

not really, gejohnston Dec 2011 #78

Pretty hard to lynch someone... We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #86

"polluted" implies there is some negative consequence. What negative consequence do you forsee? Atypical Liberal Dec 2011 #55

Post removed Post removed Dec 2011 #42

Still so angrily ignorant. Callisto32 Dec 2011 #4

Does this mean that I should not give my 13yr old son oneshooter Dec 2011 #41

Definitely not... We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #51

I'm not sure that you would enjoy it as much as he will. n/t oneshooter Dec 2011 #74

Oh certainly not. We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #75

The problem isn't guns or people who don't care. Please see reply #88. slackmaster Dec 2011 #89

how are you measuring wasted potential? michreject Dec 2011 #7

Well, to be fair, rrneck Dec 2011 #10

Well said Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #43

Domestic violence? Murder? There should be a law against that! montanto Dec 2011 #58

Fresh new site -- same ol' agitprop... SteveW Dec 2011 #63

Unless the kid had hearing damage from the gunshot kudzu22 Dec 2011 #87

Shit happens around kids all the time, and they often don't get the help they need when they need it slackmaster Dec 2011 #88