Gun Control & RKBA

SteveW

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95. Both gun and alcohol prohibitions are moral culture wars...

Wed Jan 11, 2012, 07:11 PM

Jan 2012

Gun control is not a public safety issue because there is little evidence to show that the number of guns in society can be linked to some measure of "public safety." A lot of speculation/theorizing, but little evidence. This becomes more stark when one sees that most crimes committed with a gun are committed by repeat felons. The focus should be on the dogged pursuit and imprisonment of repeat felons, there is some reason to believe this is happening.

When anyone, "kids" or no, destroy things, they are taken away from their "toys" and effectively restrained. This is how criminal justice should address such transgressions. I am not concerned about the guns. I am concerned about the thug.

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Can any PRO Gun-Control person on this forum name one Gun Control WIN in the last 3 years? [View all] Logical Jan 2012 OP

there were several open carry defeats last year. ileus Jan 2012 #1

really? YllwFvr Jan 2012 #104

Dosen't matter if they can rl6214 Jan 2012 #2

There was that one courthouse in Wisconsin.. or Missouri.. I forget where.. X_Digger Jan 2012 #3

I bet IL comes this year. They seem ripe for it everywhere but Chicago. Logical Jan 2012 #4

The amazing thing to me is you guys see it all as a game Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #5

Not irrelevant at all. GreenStormCloud Jan 2012 #6

I understand that you don't want to get in trouble. Who does? Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #7

It is impossible to predict if I will or won't need it. GreenStormCloud Jan 2012 #9

I hope all that makes you feel safer. Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #13

Why do you think I walk 5 miles a day? GreenStormCloud Jan 2012 #30

So it's really all about how long it takes to put a gun on? Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #33

That's not even close to what he said We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #34

Newsflash! I don't have a side. Which means I can't lose. Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #36

Newsflash! We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #37

Comprhension fail on your part WHAP Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #39

Believe as you wish We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #43

Again, comprehension fail! Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #52

This message was self-deleted by its author Simo 1939_1940 Jan 2012 #51

Newsflash! With this nasty piece of snark you showed your Simo 1939_1940 Jan 2012 #50

Oh no! Showed my cards? Say it ain't so! Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #53

"These Derringer bullets sure are weak" - Bart Simpson as Tom Sawyer ellisonz Jan 2012 #65

Dude, all of those posts are his passive-agressive bullshit intended to get just this repsonse. cleanhippie Jan 2012 #70

Thanks, but no headache here, clean....... Simo 1939_1940 Jan 2012 #81

Your side is mere antagonism. nt Union Scribe Jan 2012 #56

Maybe you haven't noticed yet Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #58

Sure "we" are. Simo 1939_1940 Jan 2012 #59

Passive-aggressive ain't civility. cleanhippie Jan 2012 #71

I assume you're an expert on such things. Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #75

Well, I'm no psychologist, but I did stay at a Holiday-Inn Express last night. cleanhippie Jan 2012 #80

No, but this is: Simo 1939_1940 Jan 2012 #82

Oh mon dieu, non! "Funnin' around" - moi? Jamais. Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #83

To take a page from your playbook....... Simo 1939_1940 Jan 2012 #93

At least you've learned some humility. Kudos. Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #94

What part of the word *not* escaped you? NT Simo 1939_1940 Jan 2012 #120

Really? rl6214 Jan 2012 #61

Yeah! Really! Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #76

I really didn't start to carry on a regular basis... spin Jan 2012 #40

You carry a gun and bear spray in Texas to hose dogs? Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #24

Every place I have ever lived has had loose dogs. GreenStormCloud Jan 2012 #28

You might want to change your brand of after shave. Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #38

lol ellisonz Jan 2012 #66

It is not like being chased! LOL. Work on another analogy. You are in the car anyway. Logical Jan 2012 #10

The Right to be able to make that decision, and not have the state make it for you.... PavePusher Jan 2012 #11

I was born with my rights Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #12

The state most certainly can take them away. ManiacJoe Jan 2012 #15

Not without just cause... ellisonz Jan 2012 #22

All depends on one's point of view. Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #23

That doesn't even make sense. AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #27

Yep, and I'd like to encourage it as much as possible. AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #19

Encourage what? Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #25

"The decision of an individual to engage in such a practice is what is important." AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #26

Well, despite the connotations of 'game,' it's better than political sado-masochism... SteveW Jan 2012 #41

Ah, so you agree that the decision making process is important. Good. Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #54

Actually the right to carry concealed guns on our person is extremely relevant rl6214 Jan 2012 #60

It's not a right. It's a privilege for those in states that issue permits. Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #78

No. Callisto32 Jan 2012 #125

I'm not contesting the right. Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #132

And what irrational behavior would that be? We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #133

"Maybe CA stopping Open Carry." Simo 1939_1940 Jan 2012 #8

Faulty causality. Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #14

it is falling in Billings too gejohnston Jan 2012 #16

Any crime is too high Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #20

Unless you can point to... We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #35

Reason for mentioning: "More guns = More crime" was pumped for years by gun-controllers. nt SteveW Jan 2012 #42

So what? Extremists on both sides making bogus claims. Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #55

The question was asked and I answered it... SteveW Jan 2012 #87

Interesting how you refer to liberal Democrats in the third person. Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #88

I often use third person when using "liberal," due to the distortion of the term. SteveW Jan 2012 #89

Prohibition was a moral issue. Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #90

Prohibition was presented as both We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #91

All prohi's think their cause is a public safety issue. n/t X_Digger Jan 2012 #92

So what? I'm not a "prohi" and this is a safety issue. Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #97

False dichotomy. Try again. n/t X_Digger Jan 2012 #98

Both gun and alcohol prohibitions are moral culture wars... SteveW Jan 2012 #95

You must be joking. Tell me you're joking. Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #96

Nope he's not joking We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #99

No, sir. Not joking... SteveW Jan 2012 #105

First, show me where I am advocating gun control Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #106

You don't support gun-control? Then we are in agreement on that. Thanks. nt SteveW Jan 2012 #107

No, I support and advocate self-control Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #109

I'm with you on that first part. The rest... SteveW Jan 2012 #110

And that is the beast that is being fed, unfortunately Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #114

"...stop announcing and cheering for it on public websites". I certainly will not. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #115

You know what that post reminds me of? X_Digger Jan 2012 #116

You just don't get it, do you? Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #117

Would you say that about anything else? friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #118

I give up. You win. Good luck. Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #119

Lot of loose change, here... SteveW Jan 2012 #143

All those drunk driving deaths aren't a public safety issue. Callisto32 Jan 2012 #126

What century are you living in? Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #131

There is a crowd... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2012 #17

THE BACKLASH COMETH AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #18

Al Gore Paid the Price for Clinton's Gun Comtrol E6-B Jan 2012 #69

No worries. AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #84

They are winning the battle, but may still yet lose the war... ellisonz Jan 2012 #21

You still don't get it do you? We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #29

Thanks to Antonin Scalia and friends! n/t ellisonz Jan 2012 #44

Has nothing to do with Scalia. We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #45

Oh for Christs sake... ellisonz Jan 2012 #47

Your response does not address the post you replied to. X_Digger Jan 2012 #48

I'll do it derby378 Jan 2012 #57

Some people would say that's free speech... ellisonz Jan 2012 #108

Since law enforcement generally has access to fully automatic weapons... beevul Jan 2012 #111

The average beat cop doesn't walk around with a full auto weapon at the ready to my knowledge. n/t ellisonz Jan 2012 #112

Nor does the average citizen, or average criminal. beevul Jan 2012 #113

The average "beat cop"... We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #124

If you think reality is dictated by people... Callisto32 Jan 2012 #127

" What the Constitution clearly demands" beevul Jan 2012 #32

Thanks to Antonin Scalia and friends! ellisonz Jan 2012 #46

That's the second time you've repeated that straw man. X_Digger Jan 2012 #49

You can't yell fire in a crowded theater... ellisonz Jan 2012 #64

Who said you can? Care to respond to what I actually said? n/t X_Digger Jan 2012 #67

Sure. What gun control do you support? ellisonz Jan 2012 #68

I'm interested in how you think an individual right connects to 'unrestricted' blah blah blah.. X_Digger Jan 2012 #72

lol ellisonz Jan 2012 #74

No, I just missed it in typing my reply. X_Digger Jan 2012 #77

We're not talking accidental, we're talking deliberate. ellisonz Jan 2012 #79

It's dependent on venue. In a public space, not otherwise proscribed by state law? No. X_Digger Jan 2012 #86

May I? gejohnston Jan 2012 #73

Sure I can, just as you could.... S_B_Jackson Jan 2012 #85

You may, Callisto32 Jan 2012 #128

You can keep repeating that line as much as you like but rl6214 Jan 2012 #62

"it is settled, just not to your liking." ellisonz Jan 2012 #63

Here we are in the DU Fan Club Doctor_J Jan 2012 #101

I don't get it either... ellisonz Jan 2012 #102

Did you stop to consider.... We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #103

We're called the NRA not the National Union Association. E6-B Jan 2012 #122

And the people you vote for also do unions, teachers, pensions, anti-choice initiatives, Doctor_J Jan 2012 #130

There are also some here that are able to ignore the head of MAIG's *other* activities. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #134

that include gejohnston Jan 2012 #135

BTW I am an IBEW brother since I was 12. E6-B Jan 2012 #136

Militias E6-B Jan 2012 #121

And submit to government regulation... ellisonz Jan 2012 #123

I thought so. E6-B Jan 2012 #137

Do you understand the Supreme Court has corrected itself before? n/t ellisonz Jan 2012 #138

It has happened but it is extremely rare We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #139

Well, we still don't have CCW in Illinois ... yet DonP Jan 2012 #31

No, which is why I don't understand all of the bitching from the NRA and their cult Doctor_J Jan 2012 #100

B/C NRA-ILA is probably almost as bad as people make it out to be... Callisto32 Jan 2012 #129

He did waste anytime getting to gun control E6-B Jan 2012 #140

I'll name two that's far more damaging than any legislation Ter Jan 2012 #141

LOL....you sounds like the NRA spokesman. The 2nd is safe. Calm down. Logical Jan 2012 #142