Gun Control & RKBA

glacierbay

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43. This statement throws serious doubt on his claim.

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 12:30 PM

Oct 2012

The more amazing thing is how he got his data together. When someone asked him about the subjectiveness of determining what is murder, Roth responded that it is extremely subjective: "Tell me what murder rate you want and I can get you that murder rate."

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Awesome news for RKBA folks! [View all] darkangel218 Oct 2012 OP

Awesome is in the eye of the beholder. shraby Oct 2012 #1

True i guess :) darkangel218 Oct 2012 #2

It's your right to go out in public with your face uncovered. PavePusher Oct 2012 #37

Explain the awesome. -eom gcomeau Oct 2012 #3

Its easier to carry your weapon if you dont have to hide it! :) darkangel218 Oct 2012 #4

So the opposite of awesome then... gcomeau Oct 2012 #9

How will open carry make your environment less peaceful? darkangel218 Oct 2012 #10

"It's easier to carry your weapon" gcomeau Oct 2012 #13

What the hell are you talking about! darkangel218 Oct 2012 #14

I'm talking about what I said. Reading comprehension issues? gcomeau Oct 2012 #17

Lmao!! darkangel218 Oct 2012 #21

Bull gcomeau Oct 2012 #23

Incidence of what? the number of criminals deterred from engaging in crimes? darkangel218 Oct 2012 #27

Bull rl6214 Oct 2012 #48

depends on what is customary gejohnston Oct 2012 #55

And the problem with that is...? PavePusher Oct 2012 #38

"I'm talking about what I said" holdencaufield Oct 2012 #61

the murder rate is four times gejohnston Oct 2012 #30

Wild west huh? glacierbay Oct 2012 #11

Are you completely delusional? gcomeau Oct 2012 #16

This comes from a study that extrapolates one single murder to equal around 78 murders. rDigital Oct 2012 #18

Ahem. gcomeau Oct 2012 #20

The extrapolations are bogus. Not much to see there. rDigital Oct 2012 #24

THERE AREN'T ANY EXTRAPOLATIONS!!!! gcomeau Oct 2012 #29

I won, get used to it. rDigital Oct 2012 #31

Learn math. gcomeau Oct 2012 #34

You're allowed to stomp your feet because your ox is getting gored, just remember rDigital Oct 2012 #40

Deal. With. The. Numbers. gcomeau Oct 2012 #41

This statement throws serious doubt on his claim. glacierbay Oct 2012 #43

Since it's an unsubstantiated second hand claim of a statement... gcomeau Nov 2012 #64

So you think that Lott is lying about what Roth said? glacierbay Nov 2012 #65

The author claims to get all of his info from newspaper clippings and anecdotes. He firmly places rDigital Oct 2012 #44

For cripes sake gcomeau Oct 2012 #50

Why should we believe anything from him glacierbay Oct 2012 #51

The data sets are so small that the sampling error is taken to an egregious level. rDigital Oct 2012 #54

really? gejohnston Oct 2012 #56

Of course we're questioning the author glacierbay Oct 2012 #47

This is even better than what I found glacierbay Oct 2012 #42

On the mathematics of homicide rates, risks, and probabilities, see Randolph Roth ileus Oct 2012 #36

After reading up on this guy glacierbay Oct 2012 #39

A few caveats sarisataka Oct 2012 #49

BLOOD RUNNING IN THE STREETS! 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #26

There, i fixed the title. darkangel218 Oct 2012 #6

Why is that awesome? amuse bouche Oct 2012 #5

No, not yahoos. Only those who already have their concealed weapon permit. darkangel218 Oct 2012 #7

These are matters within purview of the states -- Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #12

Thank the Lord! nevergiveup Oct 2012 #8

What's the point, OCer's are just bullied and intimidated into not carrying. ileus Oct 2012 #15

In Ohio, they tried to bully me... I got an apology. nt rDigital Oct 2012 #19

:D darkangel218 Oct 2012 #22

"fighting the good fight" amuse bouche Oct 2012 #25

Fighting to defend our Constitutional right to bear arms. darkangel218 Oct 2012 #28

You can bare your arms ProfessionalLeftist Oct 2012 #33

so i made a typo big deal :) darkangel218 Oct 2012 #35

I see what you did there. glacierbay Oct 2012 #46

ROFL! : ) nt rDigital Oct 2012 #45

*sticks tongue* :p darkangel218 Oct 2012 #52

It is also a take off on one of the more disruptive antis who posts here ProgressiveProfessor Oct 2012 #59

Well the thread in GD was just locked. ileus Oct 2012 #32

So many delicate flowers. Clames Oct 2012 #53

Works great in Washington State. AtheistCrusader Oct 2012 #57

You'd think it would be awesome news for people that hate guns too. JoeyT Oct 2012 #58

doesn't this law just give them choice to OC or CC whichever they prefer? Tuesday Afternoon Oct 2012 #60

Probably, JoeyT Oct 2012 #62

? Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2012 #66

As an Oklahoman, I'm thrilled... NewMoonTherian Nov 2012 #63