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In reply to the discussion: Pistol grips on long guns, and rifle crime in general. [View all]benEzra
(12,148 posts)136. Let me remind you what the gun control lobby *used* to say about Title 1 rifles like mine.
Let me remind you of what the gun control lobby *used* to say about Title 1 rifles like mine.
"
O)ur organization, Handgun Control, Inc. does not propose further controls on rifles and shotguns. Rifles and shotguns are not the problem; they are not concealable."
--Nelson T. "Pete" Shields, head of what is now the Brady Campaign 1978-1989 (Guns Don't Die--People Do, Priam Press, 1981, pp. 47-48).
--Nelson T. "Pete" Shields, head of what is now the Brady Campaign 1978-1989 (Guns Don't Die--People Do, Priam Press, 1981, pp. 47-48).
That statement is no less true now than it was then. Rifle crime was far worse when he said that than it is now. And when he wrote that, the AR-15 had been on the market for two decades and the M1 carbine for four decades.
It wasn't until 1988, when Josh Sugarmann of the Violence Policy Center popularized the "assault weapon" bait-and-switch as a means to build momentum for a ban on handguns, that the gun control lobby embarked on the rifle-ban crusade that would ultimately be its undoing.
What I have is a strong desire for a safer, saner society
And how, exactly, does advocating for cosmetic restrictions on the least misused of all U.S. weapons translate into a "safer, saner society"?
How does replacing this gun:

with this gun:

change rifle misuse one iota? They are the same gun. And the black-stocked one is less concealable, to boot.
...in which one does not believe he needs such weapons of war for "self-defense."
I have posted a picture of exactly one weapon of war in this thread. This one, originally designed to kill human beings at extreme ranges:

That's a military rifle made in Izhevsk, Russia for the Imperial Russian army in 1905, which was converted to M39 configuration in 1942 at the Finnish VKT arsenal in Jyvaskyla, and which likely saw action in two world wars. The sights are graduated from 100 meters to 2 kilometers, the latter for volley fire. It's also the archetype of the modern deer rifle, but it's the only military gun I own.
The other gun pics I posted are exclusively civilian guns that are not used by any military on this planet, as I'm sure you'd realize if you stopped to think about it. And the AR-15 just *any* civilian gun; it is the most popular civilian centerfire sporting rifle in the United States.
hostility to those who emphasize with the suffering of others
I'm not sure if you're referring to the other poster, or opponents of the "assault weapon" fraud in general, but if the latter then you simply have no idea. Empathy can be simultaneously blessing and curse, but I choose empathy and heartache over ignorance and bliss anyday.
But tell me, O empathetic one who would likely toss my ass in jail over the shape of a rifle stock, what do cosmetic restrictions on the *least* misused weapons have to do with "the suffering of others"?
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Pistol grips on any long gun are much more comfortable, especially for women.
Tuesday Afternoon
Jan 2012
#4
That's what I say when I'm too ashamed to say "my mind is made up, don't confuse me with facts"
Wistful Vista
Jan 2012
#135
Intentionally or unintentionally not showing the side with the stock folded against it?
rl6214
Jan 2012
#10
Yes. Underfolders are slow to deploy and a bit of a pain for that reason, though.
benEzra
Jan 2012
#23
It's understandable that one might get that impression from the "fear sells" media...
benEzra
Jan 2012
#22
'ze Germans' would be carrying automatics in this case. His guns are no match.
The Doctor.
Jan 2012
#89
Let me remind you what the gun control lobby *used* to say about Title 1 rifles like mine.
benEzra
Jan 2012
#136
death spewer toter -- I may have to make that my new sigline -- wonder how well that would go over
Tuesday Afternoon
Jan 2012
#152
"It can certainly be characterized as 'hysterical', though I'll leave out the gender aspect of it."
ellisonz
Jan 2012
#90
"It can certainly be characterized as 'hysterical', though I'll leave out the gender aspect of it."
ellisonz
Jan 2012
#109
Like I said, you were fishing for excuses to avoid a substantive challenge.
The Doctor.
Jan 2012
#110
When you call people and/or their tools "death-spewers", you are accusing them of homocidal intent
PavePusher
Jan 2012
#189
Debating you is like debating a dining room table, I have no further interest in doing it. n/t
ellisonz
Jan 2012
#215
Didn't I see something like that in a post that he was going to post it as his sig line
rl6214
Jan 2012
#185
Doncha know those against pistol grips don't care how uncomfortable it is to shoot without one
rl6214
Jan 2012
#8
I have no real problem with most people having a gun at home. But, not so much, in public.
Hoyt
Jan 2012
#161
If you can't define a problem then it indicates you don't understand the problem.
Atypical Liberal
Jan 2012
#62
I don't get it...why are you so opposed to people defending themselves against thugs?
Wistful Vista
Jan 2012
#140
I carried a shotgun around with a sawed off stock when someone was stalking and tried
Lint Head
Jan 2012
#11
I hear you on stalker. On pistol grip, it's kind of like some folks recommend maturbation
Hoyt
Jan 2012
#38
They're virtually the same in those circumstances, pistol grip or straight stock.
X_Digger
Jan 2012
#27
Well, I just took you at your word, it's my usual MO. I'm new here but not to the world.
Wistful Vista
Jan 2012
#145
"You also frequently seem to completely misunderstand what should have been crystal clear."
ellisonz
Jan 2012
#214
"Please tell me why someone should be allowed to own half-a-dozen handguns with little oversight."
friendly_iconoclast
Jan 2012
#239
Well I hope that one day soon these military grade weapons will be severely restricted...
ellisonz
Jan 2012
#85
All guns or their antecedents, save for a few target guns / bench competition guns..
X_Digger
Jan 2012
#99
Have you considered that there are other standards of lethality than ballistics? n/t
ellisonz
Jan 2012
#103
Which of course explains why they are used in less than 3% of all homicides committed with firearms.
AtheistCrusader
Jan 2012
#237
Except you are very insistently confusing NON-military-grade weapons with actual
benEzra
Jan 2012
#139
It appears that some people think abysmal ignorance of a subject is somehow a progressive value?
DonP
Jan 2012
#101
Well, if an armed citizen can't figure out and shoot the right person in a milling panicked, crowd..
krispos42
Jan 2012
#82
That is and he is. The Browning BAR was designed as a "keep their heads down"
oneshooter
Jan 2012
#120
If you really think you need a bayonet, you should talk to a medical professional IMlayO.
Hoyt
Jan 2012
#39
Why should he need a medical professional when you're right here on the scene?
Wistful Vista
Jan 2012
#142
I shot a muzzle loader for the first time last weeked (obviously, no pistol grip)...
OneTenthofOnePercent
Jan 2012
#113
Isn't it great seeing fun guns being accepted by common shooters across America.
ileus
Jan 2012
#244