Gun Control & RKBA

busterbrown

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41. I'm sorry but it just doesn't make sense. So many innocent people, children, have their lives...

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 07:46 PM

Oct 2012

destroyed by guns. I'm not saying ban guns but for Gods sake make it harder for a guy who just
got pissed off at his boss to go find a gun. Steal it, purchase it, trade for it, whatever, it sucks!

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A Harvard study [View all] Berserker Oct 2012 OP

Economy is obviously a confounding variable. nt thereismore Oct 2012 #1

Rife with logical fallacies, but nice try -- C- nichomachus Oct 2012 #2

that would make it equal all gun control rants, gejohnston Oct 2012 #3

You do realize that you're quoting an interpreation of research nichomachus Oct 2012 #5

never heard of these people gejohnston Oct 2012 #7

It's not a "study" -- just a polemic with cherry picked data and false data nichomachus Oct 2012 #10

that pretty well explains any gun control study gejohnston Oct 2012 #14

Debunked? Clames Oct 2012 #20

right wing left wing middle wing Berserker Oct 2012 #17

Radical right wing site = Anything that disagrees with gun control/bans n/t shadowrider Oct 2012 #9

Cal.watchdog.com? Give me a break. Do you honestly think you can get away with this crap? busterbrown Oct 2012 #4

The cited article has a link to the published Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy study slackmaster Oct 2012 #6

Yes, not a peer reviewed study nichomachus Oct 2012 #8

for example? gejohnston Oct 2012 #11

You can use the Google. nichomachus Oct 2012 #13

that's not how it works gejohnston Oct 2012 #16

You asserted, you back it up. Basic academic approach.nt Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #53

Would you care to point out the cherry picked and false data please? n/t shadowrider Oct 2012 #15

Yea, I have a problem with Don B.Kates. busterbrown Oct 2012 #12

Please explain exactly what you mean by the term "you guys" slackmaster Oct 2012 #18

You Guys? Lets see.....perhaps the NRA? ...Wayne La Pieerriee (whatever). busterbrown Oct 2012 #22

You're not a very good guesser slackmaster Oct 2012 #23

there is a lot more than that. gejohnston Oct 2012 #19

His main meal ticket over the past few has been specializing in self defense cases! busterbrown Oct 2012 #24

Self-defense IS a basic human right slackmaster Oct 2012 #25

are you saying people should not defend themselves? gejohnston Oct 2012 #28

You are aware that Mr. Kates made a small contribution to the Civil Rights Act Simo 1939_1940 Nov 2012 #74

One can only wonder (assuming thats true) why... beevul Nov 2012 #76

The CDC has published it's own review on studies dealing with gun control laws. Clames Oct 2012 #21

I was not aware that the CDC is now pushing the NRA agenda? busterbrown Oct 2012 #26

OK, you have just tipped your hand slackmaster Oct 2012 #27

Just remind me who I'm dealing with here? busterbrown Oct 2012 #33

Buster. You got nothin' to show. nt Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #56

in other words, gejohnston Oct 2012 #30

Honest Dialog with those who will churn up data from any sleazy disingenuous study they can find? busterbrown Oct 2012 #35

The interactive chart pretty well torpedoes any idea that gun ownership rates correlate strongly... slackmaster Oct 2012 #39

it jolly well doesn't! larrybx Dec 2012 #91

We're talking about two different figures here - homicide by firearm vs. homicide slackmaster Dec 2012 #92

Welcome to DU and I hope you enjoy the site. hrmjustin Dec 2012 #93

the wiki page is all homicides gejohnston Oct 2012 #58

Well since the aren't pushing anyone's agenda (including your flawed one)... Clames Oct 2012 #31

You have a problem with Kates. What is it? nt Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #55

Sorry, but measuring the affect of gun laws by ONLY measuring gun crime is idiotic. eqfan592 Oct 2012 #48

Norway? safeinOhio Oct 2012 #29

European illegal guns gejohnston Oct 2012 #32

Those laws really stopped Anders Brevic didn't they? n/t Clames Oct 2012 #34

O.k., Now I know whom we're dealing with! busterbrown Oct 2012 #36

Shouldn't lie to yourself. n/t Clames Nov 2012 #59

Your right, kids and counselors should have been armed! busterbrown Oct 2012 #37

Somebody should have been. n/t Clames Nov 2012 #60

I'm relatively new here. Tell me about these gunners who hang around supposedly a progressive site. busterbrown Oct 2012 #38

May sound crazy, but the progressive tent is pretty big. safeinOhio Oct 2012 #40

I'm sorry but it just doesn't make sense. So many innocent people, children, have their lives... busterbrown Oct 2012 #41

Good point and I'm with you. safeinOhio Oct 2012 #42

Lives get destroyed in many, many different ways, and guns are usually used for perfectly... slackmaster Oct 2012 #44

Boy if they only new how guys like you would misuse this concept! busterbrown Oct 2012 #45

Please define "they" and "guys like you" so I can understand what you mean slackmaster Oct 2012 #51

You're a pretty smart guy. I know that you van figure it out and ya know something, Your right! busterbrown Oct 2012 #52

Let's help you out a little. Clames Nov 2012 #61

Are we your enemy? Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #57

Then you need to revisit the racist and classist roots of gun control in the US ProgressiveProfessor Oct 2012 #54

My God this is hard to believe. They said this was a big tent, but seems there is a lot of busterbrown Nov 2012 #62

since you are new gejohnston Nov 2012 #71

Not sure whom or what your worship, but its quite real in terms of US history ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #81

And the results are....................... oneshooter Oct 2012 #43

Exceptions make the rule. safeinOhio Oct 2012 #46

According to our NRA friends around here, your link is not relevant. busterbrown Nov 2012 #63

do you realize you said that same link was a very questionable source? gejohnston Nov 2012 #67

So the counselors and staff being armed would have prevented this? busterbrown Oct 2012 #47

Again, measuring only firearm related homicides is next to meaningless. eqfan592 Oct 2012 #49

Did you know that Russia has over 3x our TOTAL homicide rate and rDigital Nov 2012 #68

Suicide is a personal choice. Whats your point? Link me to a site which states My girlfriend has a busterbrown Nov 2012 #72

but it is part of the "gun violence" statistics gejohnston Nov 2012 #73

So why do gun grabbers always pad their numbers with suicides? hack89 Nov 2012 #80

You need not be so crude, it makes civil discussion much more difficult. rDigital Nov 2012 #86

Every now and then some gun fanatic posts this piece of psuedoscience. DanTex Oct 2012 #50

Well, you certainly a hard worker.I just don't have the patience to work through all the bullshit busterbrown Nov 2012 #64

he has them booked marked gejohnston Nov 2012 #65

"they".... "thank god you showed up"... "hell with it" "very little support" "i'm new" rDigital Nov 2012 #66

Welcome to DU Berserker Nov 2012 #75

Are you sure you're new? beevul Nov 2012 #77

Yeah, the gungeon is an ... ummm ... "interesting" place, as you've figured out. DanTex Nov 2012 #78

right wing propaganda written by a left winger gejohnston Nov 2012 #83

Kates is a libertarian. DanTex Nov 2012 #84

a left wing libertarian similar to Nader gejohnston Nov 2012 #90

Thanks, does this not mean that those who run this site feel so strongly about their own guns that busterbrown Nov 2012 #87

Are you calling me a right-wing troll? Berserker Nov 2012 #88

If you think I'm violating the rules, go ahead and alert. DanTex Nov 2012 #89

psuedoscience is generous description russ1943 Nov 2012 #69

Actually, Lott was peer reviewed gejohnston Nov 2012 #70

Agreed. DanTex Nov 2012 #79

I've yet to meet a grabber that would even listen to facts that didn't support their cause 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #82

Excellent FACTUAL OP! Semper Fi n/t DWC Nov 2012 #85