Gun Control & RKBA

slackmaster

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44. Lives get destroyed in many, many different ways, and guns are usually used for perfectly...

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 07:59 PM

Oct 2012

...peaceful purposes. ETA they are sometimes used for self-defense.

Criminal misuse of a gun is chosen behavior that is done by people who don't follow society's rules. It is those people, not guns, that are to blame for people being hurt.

I'm not saying ban guns but for Gods sake make it harder for a guy who just
got pissed off at his boss to go find a gun.

If you have a concrete suggestion for doing that in a way that doesn't violate peoples' right to keep and bear arms, I'd love to see your plan.

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A Harvard study [View all] Berserker Oct 2012 OP

Economy is obviously a confounding variable. nt thereismore Oct 2012 #1

Rife with logical fallacies, but nice try -- C- nichomachus Oct 2012 #2

that would make it equal all gun control rants, gejohnston Oct 2012 #3

You do realize that you're quoting an interpreation of research nichomachus Oct 2012 #5

never heard of these people gejohnston Oct 2012 #7

It's not a "study" -- just a polemic with cherry picked data and false data nichomachus Oct 2012 #10

that pretty well explains any gun control study gejohnston Oct 2012 #14

Debunked? Clames Oct 2012 #20

right wing left wing middle wing Berserker Oct 2012 #17

Radical right wing site = Anything that disagrees with gun control/bans n/t shadowrider Oct 2012 #9

Cal.watchdog.com? Give me a break. Do you honestly think you can get away with this crap? busterbrown Oct 2012 #4

The cited article has a link to the published Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy study slackmaster Oct 2012 #6

Yes, not a peer reviewed study nichomachus Oct 2012 #8

for example? gejohnston Oct 2012 #11

You can use the Google. nichomachus Oct 2012 #13

that's not how it works gejohnston Oct 2012 #16

You asserted, you back it up. Basic academic approach.nt Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #53

Would you care to point out the cherry picked and false data please? n/t shadowrider Oct 2012 #15

Yea, I have a problem with Don B.Kates. busterbrown Oct 2012 #12

Please explain exactly what you mean by the term "you guys" slackmaster Oct 2012 #18

You Guys? Lets see.....perhaps the NRA? ...Wayne La Pieerriee (whatever). busterbrown Oct 2012 #22

You're not a very good guesser slackmaster Oct 2012 #23

there is a lot more than that. gejohnston Oct 2012 #19

His main meal ticket over the past few has been specializing in self defense cases! busterbrown Oct 2012 #24

Self-defense IS a basic human right slackmaster Oct 2012 #25

are you saying people should not defend themselves? gejohnston Oct 2012 #28

You are aware that Mr. Kates made a small contribution to the Civil Rights Act Simo 1939_1940 Nov 2012 #74

One can only wonder (assuming thats true) why... beevul Nov 2012 #76

The CDC has published it's own review on studies dealing with gun control laws. Clames Oct 2012 #21

I was not aware that the CDC is now pushing the NRA agenda? busterbrown Oct 2012 #26

OK, you have just tipped your hand slackmaster Oct 2012 #27

Just remind me who I'm dealing with here? busterbrown Oct 2012 #33

Buster. You got nothin' to show. nt Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #56

in other words, gejohnston Oct 2012 #30

Honest Dialog with those who will churn up data from any sleazy disingenuous study they can find? busterbrown Oct 2012 #35

The interactive chart pretty well torpedoes any idea that gun ownership rates correlate strongly... slackmaster Oct 2012 #39

it jolly well doesn't! larrybx Dec 2012 #91

We're talking about two different figures here - homicide by firearm vs. homicide slackmaster Dec 2012 #92

Welcome to DU and I hope you enjoy the site. hrmjustin Dec 2012 #93

the wiki page is all homicides gejohnston Oct 2012 #58

Well since the aren't pushing anyone's agenda (including your flawed one)... Clames Oct 2012 #31

You have a problem with Kates. What is it? nt Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #55

Sorry, but measuring the affect of gun laws by ONLY measuring gun crime is idiotic. eqfan592 Oct 2012 #48

Norway? safeinOhio Oct 2012 #29

European illegal guns gejohnston Oct 2012 #32

Those laws really stopped Anders Brevic didn't they? n/t Clames Oct 2012 #34

O.k., Now I know whom we're dealing with! busterbrown Oct 2012 #36

Shouldn't lie to yourself. n/t Clames Nov 2012 #59

Your right, kids and counselors should have been armed! busterbrown Oct 2012 #37

Somebody should have been. n/t Clames Nov 2012 #60

I'm relatively new here. Tell me about these gunners who hang around supposedly a progressive site. busterbrown Oct 2012 #38

May sound crazy, but the progressive tent is pretty big. safeinOhio Oct 2012 #40

I'm sorry but it just doesn't make sense. So many innocent people, children, have their lives... busterbrown Oct 2012 #41

Good point and I'm with you. safeinOhio Oct 2012 #42

Lives get destroyed in many, many different ways, and guns are usually used for perfectly... slackmaster Oct 2012 #44

Boy if they only new how guys like you would misuse this concept! busterbrown Oct 2012 #45

Please define "they" and "guys like you" so I can understand what you mean slackmaster Oct 2012 #51

You're a pretty smart guy. I know that you van figure it out and ya know something, Your right! busterbrown Oct 2012 #52

Let's help you out a little. Clames Nov 2012 #61

Are we your enemy? Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #57

Then you need to revisit the racist and classist roots of gun control in the US ProgressiveProfessor Oct 2012 #54

My God this is hard to believe. They said this was a big tent, but seems there is a lot of busterbrown Nov 2012 #62

since you are new gejohnston Nov 2012 #71

Not sure whom or what your worship, but its quite real in terms of US history ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #81

And the results are....................... oneshooter Oct 2012 #43

Exceptions make the rule. safeinOhio Oct 2012 #46

According to our NRA friends around here, your link is not relevant. busterbrown Nov 2012 #63

do you realize you said that same link was a very questionable source? gejohnston Nov 2012 #67

So the counselors and staff being armed would have prevented this? busterbrown Oct 2012 #47

Again, measuring only firearm related homicides is next to meaningless. eqfan592 Oct 2012 #49

Did you know that Russia has over 3x our TOTAL homicide rate and rDigital Nov 2012 #68

Suicide is a personal choice. Whats your point? Link me to a site which states My girlfriend has a busterbrown Nov 2012 #72

but it is part of the "gun violence" statistics gejohnston Nov 2012 #73

So why do gun grabbers always pad their numbers with suicides? hack89 Nov 2012 #80

You need not be so crude, it makes civil discussion much more difficult. rDigital Nov 2012 #86

Every now and then some gun fanatic posts this piece of psuedoscience. DanTex Oct 2012 #50

Well, you certainly a hard worker.I just don't have the patience to work through all the bullshit busterbrown Nov 2012 #64

he has them booked marked gejohnston Nov 2012 #65

"they".... "thank god you showed up"... "hell with it" "very little support" "i'm new" rDigital Nov 2012 #66

Welcome to DU Berserker Nov 2012 #75

Are you sure you're new? beevul Nov 2012 #77

Yeah, the gungeon is an ... ummm ... "interesting" place, as you've figured out. DanTex Nov 2012 #78

right wing propaganda written by a left winger gejohnston Nov 2012 #83

Kates is a libertarian. DanTex Nov 2012 #84

a left wing libertarian similar to Nader gejohnston Nov 2012 #90

Thanks, does this not mean that those who run this site feel so strongly about their own guns that busterbrown Nov 2012 #87

Are you calling me a right-wing troll? Berserker Nov 2012 #88

If you think I'm violating the rules, go ahead and alert. DanTex Nov 2012 #89

psuedoscience is generous description russ1943 Nov 2012 #69

Actually, Lott was peer reviewed gejohnston Nov 2012 #70

Agreed. DanTex Nov 2012 #79

I've yet to meet a grabber that would even listen to facts that didn't support their cause 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #82

Excellent FACTUAL OP! Semper Fi n/t DWC Nov 2012 #85