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We_Have_A_Problem

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47. No problem...
Thu Dec 15, 2011, 02:01 PM
Dec 2011
How many times have you needed your gun and used it?

About as many times as I've needed my seat belt, helmet and other protective gear - which is to say none. However, I am REQUIRED to buy a car with a seat belt whether I want them or not, and required to wear it when I am even a passenger. In many states I am required to obtain a helmet at my expense and wear it in order to protect me from others who aren't paying attention.

Why is one device which might save my life required by laws which violate my rights but yet another device which may also save my life is something you wish to see forbidden by law, also violating my rights?


I support the right to own and to carry when necessary, but not the practice of compulsive concealed carry. What is hard to understand about that?

First off, define "necessary". Then provide me with a 100% foolproof method to predict said necessity. Then provide me with a 100% foolproof method of ensuring my gun is available to me when it is necessary.

You may not like someone carrying a firearm, but it does not harm you and honestly, your opinion as to if it is compulsive is irrelevant.

I support the right to carry as part of a well organized militia, which I translate today as the NG.

Two things:

1) It is well REGULATED, not well organized. If you wish to apply that standard, I will then assume you have no problem with me carrying an M4 (select fire please) and an M9?

2) The National Guard is defined as a select militia. Then there is the unorganized militia which is everyone else. If the terms of the Dick act were applied, you would essentially be saying you want to disarm all women, men over 45 and public officials. Let me know how that works out for you.

Thankfully, militia membership is not a condition of the right to keep and bear arms.

I do not support the use of a handgun outside the home as a self defense tool.

Got something more effective to suggest? No? Then really keep your opinion to yourself. You're welcome to apply those restrictions to your actions, but not to mine. Do you not get it?

I support free speech, but I don't support assholes with megaphones standing on the corner of my street at eight o'clock every Sunday morning.


So you support free speech as long as you don't have to know about it? You may not like to hear those "assholes" but they have EVERY right to speak and to be in public.

What you said sounds suspiciously like "I am OK with black people living in my city, but I don't support them being in my neighborhood"

People who abuse their rights are polluters.

It would appear, based upon what you have stated, that you define "abuse" as "exercise in ways different than I would choose to". Is a person who attends worship services daily abusing his right to practice a religion? According to your arbitrary standards, he is.

Compulsive handgun toting is an addiction, the same as any compulsive behavior. What don't you understand about that?

I understand the message you're attempting to send, however the statement is flawed on its face. Are you suggesting a cop, for example, is suffering from an addiction? Are my wearing of a seat when I drive and a helmet when i ride examples of compulsive behavior? Even if they WERE, are these behaviors harmful to anyone?

The behavior, even if it is an addiction, is not harmful to others. Hence, you have no legitimate reason to even know about it, let alone restrict it. What do YOU not understand about that?

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where do I start? gejohnston Dec 2011 #1
Jardis... Callisto32 Dec 2011 #2
Given your intensity and obsession with disarming law abiding folks.... aikoaiko Dec 2011 #3
I don't want to disarmam anyone except the unfit nt mikeb302000 Dec 2011 #67
Of course Oneka Dec 2011 #69
Really, I thought you were against the larwful concealed carry. aikoaiko Dec 2011 #70
So it wasn't you that wrote this? Better have a talk with their ISP about that identity theft... friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #71
Whew, link shows a couple of young republican "gun activists" I think. Female student sounds smart. Hoyt Dec 2011 #4
And yet she didn't express fear of the same student carrying a gun at pizza & subs across the street aikoaiko Dec 2011 #5
I think she has seen the types who are into guns at that age -- and wants no part of it on campus. Hoyt Dec 2011 #7
"...at that age..." PavePusher Dec 2011 #13
21 year olds with no criminal history ... quite the group of people to be concerned about, eh? OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2011 #41
This rally was HUGH!?!! TheCowsCameHome Dec 2011 #6
Guns on campus are bad enough, but those two guys are really suspect. Hoyt Dec 2011 #8
Suspect of what, hoyt? PavePusher Dec 2011 #10
Lack of judgement and priorities in life. Hoyt Dec 2011 #28
Ah, I was right. n/t PavePusher Dec 2011 #30
got google? iverglas Dec 2011 #33
there are 2 Tommy Mozingos in the US white pages iverglas Dec 2011 #34
"The really fearful ones ar those who feel they cannot leave the house without a gun." PavePusher Dec 2011 #9
Ah, the master of slander, innuendo, insinuation and lies continues. PavePusher Dec 2011 #11
Only one comment so far at the original article, and it's a massive strawman PavePusher Dec 2011 #12
Question, are people who study a martial arts such as karate or jujitsu... spin Dec 2011 #14
Obviously, people who study martial arts want to attack others. PavePusher Dec 2011 #15
The marital arts instructor that I had ... spin Dec 2011 #16
Heh, just riffing off one of our favorite... provacateurs. PavePusher Dec 2011 #17
No problem. I recognized your tactics... spin Dec 2011 #21
Y'know, I really don't think self-defense is the main purpose of the marital arts, petronius Dec 2011 #18
May I see your Karate Permit, please? PavePusher Dec 2011 #22
Sorry, dude. Any permits I may have are a private matter between me and my petronius Dec 2011 #23
Regarding smilies, there are a bunch of new ones here: petronius Dec 2011 #26
Much depends on the martial art ... spin Dec 2011 #24
A joke that needs explaining really wasn't, so I confess myself a failure petronius Dec 2011 #25
I should learn not to watch football while I am posting on DU ... spin Dec 2011 #27
Excellent post Mike. K&R Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #19
People like you two have made gun control the success it is today. Long may you post! friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #31
I don't support Brady or the NRA Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #32
Oh, do tell... Straw Man Dec 2011 #36
You know perfectly well what the original intent was Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #37
No, we know perfectly well what *you believe* the original intent was. friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #38
Haven't we been over this before? We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #39
I do, but apparently you don't. Straw Man Dec 2011 #40
What does SCOTUS have to do with the original intent apart from interpreting it? Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #42
Interpreting it creates the law we live under. Straw Man Dec 2011 #43
If, as you said.... We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #44
Let me ask you a question Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #45
Consistently incoherent and emotionally driven bullshit. ntnt rrneck Dec 2011 #46
No problem... We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #47
OK, let me respond with my opinion, if I'm allowed. Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #59
"Compulsive shoe wearing is an addiction, the same as any compulsive behavior." PavePusher Dec 2011 #49
Makes me wonder if you've ever walked barefoot in the street Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #64
My handgun is designed to protect me. PavePusher Dec 2011 #65
No, it is designed to cause injury. That is it's function. Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #72
Nope - that's your OPINION. We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #73
Wrong. It's not my opinion. It is a fact. Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #74
Cite, please? n/t PavePusher Dec 2011 #76
Cite what? Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #78
This: PavePusher Dec 2011 #79
Please enlighten me as to it's other purposes Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #82
We have.... We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #83
Let me help you Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #84
No i don't We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #85
Thank you for confirming. Damn, it's like pulling teeth sometimes. Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #86
You keep insinuating a mental aberation. PavePusher Dec 2011 #50
What's your opinion on compulsive behavior? Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #53
define gejohnston Dec 2011 #54
And I have a question for you. Straw Man Dec 2011 #51
No I don't, but I advocate using other tactics outside the home Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #52
Why "other tactics"? Straw Man Dec 2011 #55
Do you carry yout fire extinguisher around with you? Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #61
In my car. Straw Man Dec 2011 #66
That's funny "the bearer" of a fire extinguisher. Good for you. Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #75
Dude, you're easily amused. Straw Man Dec 2011 #77
In other words, you only support the freedom of expression so long as it doesn't disturb you. N/T Marengo Dec 2011 #56
Not at all, I support all forms of expression. Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #60
No, you do not. The individual's right of expression in a public space... Marengo Dec 2011 #68
This needs correction... SteveW Dec 2011 #58
The right to keep and bear arms for the security of the state by having a well regulated militia Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #62
"On the contrary, it could be argued that the proliferation of handguns on the streets Simo 1939_1940 Dec 2011 #63
Are you calling me an ass? Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #81
Sorry, but the "Right of the people" is operative in the Bill of Rights... SteveW Dec 2011 #80
On fear. Atypical Liberal Dec 2011 #20
write your congressman and have people that look wrong to you locked up. ileus Dec 2011 #29
nah, i'll just carry concealed and shoot the ones that scare me. locking 'em up costs the taxpayers Scout Dec 2011 #35
. Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2011 #48
My goodness, are you irony-deficient? SteveW Dec 2011 #57
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