Gun Control & RKBA

ManiacJoe

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42. It is all about how the numbers are presented.

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 02:57 PM

Nov 2012

The Florida civilian (non-cop) stats are stable at 12/yr pre-SYG and 42/yr post-SYG. The levels are stable but they differ by 250%.

The problem here is that the numbers are so small that talking about percentage changes is misleading.

Interestingly, the stats for the Florida cops reflects similar stability and similar levels increase, while the law did not change for them.

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5-year justifiable homicide levels remain steady [View all] krispos42 Nov 2012 OP

But I thought that with the passage of SYG laws glacierbay Nov 2012 #1

Police and Prosecutors? Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #19

That's one case. glacierbay Nov 2012 #22

No, you're not a typical cop, thank goodness. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #26

Die, My Love? glacierbay Nov 2012 #27

Seriously, do you have data supporting this "huge issue?" nt Eleanors38 Nov 2012 #39

There is lots of data out there which is being looked at. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #46

citing Wall Street Journal and Fox gejohnston Nov 2012 #49

So get me banned. WTF Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #51

My bad gejohnston Nov 2012 #52

OK. I thought that wasn't like you. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #53

Naww, not that many natives around here gejohnston Nov 2012 #61

Thanks for references. I don't see an increase of 16 syg uses in 4 years as sifnificant. Eleanors38 Nov 2012 #63

Obama !!! orpupilofnature57 Nov 2012 #2

Wait a minute. rrneck Nov 2012 #3

Justifiable hoomicides are given in numbers. Murder rate is a percentage per 100,000. geckosfeet Nov 2012 #5

Percent means per 100 BigAlanMac Nov 2012 #58

Considering that the incidence of horrific mass shootings seem to be increasing geckosfeet Nov 2012 #4

Don't forget population growth krispos42 Nov 2012 #8

"the incidence of horrific mass shootings seem to be increasing" PavePusher Nov 2012 #13

I do, but I'm not doing legwork for him. Decoy of Fenris Nov 2012 #20

o for f*cks sake geckosfeet Nov 2012 #23

It's a legitimate request. You're wrong and got called on it. Decoy of Fenris Nov 2012 #24

Numbers are always interesting and these look good on the surface. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #6

Point 1 has not changed much in the last 5 years krispos42 Nov 2012 #9

You are correct. My math is off today. Must be the time change. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #11

I find the time change... discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2012 #12

As I never attend church it makes little difference to me. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #14

My cell and PCs remember for me. discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2012 #16

It actually makes a lot of sense Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #18

Then we should just get up earlier. krispos42 Nov 2012 #25

It's easier to change the clock or switch zones than getting up earlier. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #28

No wonder there's a bunch of... discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2012 #31

I live in the Eastern time zone. discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2012 #29

Wow, that place is a trip. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #30

I'd rent the lots and airstrip access. discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2012 #33

Kyoceras- 2x130watt and 2x135watt Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #35

Thanks matey... discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2012 #36

Just Atlas silos? gejohnston Nov 2012 #32

Atlas F silos are big enough. discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2012 #34

the bar remains the same gejohnston Nov 2012 #10

I know it's a legal concept. I studied criminal law. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #15

you might be right gejohnston Nov 2012 #17

Wouldn't that result in higher numbers? Atypical Liberal Nov 2012 #37

Yes, it would. Between 200% and 300% higher Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #38

But the numbers are showing stability over the last 5 years. Atypical Liberal Nov 2012 #41

It is all about how the numbers are presented. ManiacJoe Nov 2012 #42

Interesting. Maybe people are more willing to defend themselves without the threat of bankruptcy? Atypical Liberal Nov 2012 #43

Maybe it has to do with... discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2012 #62

It is a little confusing. You need to dig deeper. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #47

So, when will Illinois repeal SYG? gejohnston Nov 2012 #48

"Of course, you don't actually believe people do or should defend themselves outside the home." Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #50

I don't know of anyplace that allows you to shoot or stab shoplifters and looters gejohnston Nov 2012 #54

Wyoming seems to have it right Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #56

I read that quite awhile ago gejohnston Nov 2012 #57

I suppose people are now less willing to let criminals slide now that they don't risk financial ruin Atypical Liberal Nov 2012 #55

Puts to bed the majority of the assertions that have been made by anti-gun groups... Clames Nov 2012 #7

Not true according to post #41. Atypical Liberal Nov 2012 #44

Proof that guns cause crime! 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #21

Thanks for the data. SYG laws collided head-on with Eleanors38 Nov 2012 #40

Not true according to post #41. Atypical Liberal Nov 2012 #45

This thread has 40+ posts? PavePusher Nov 2012 #59

You'll probably miss this one too Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #60