Gun Control & RKBA

DanTex

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28. It is a public health issue.

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 01:19 PM

Nov 2012

30,000 people die every year from gunshot wounds. That's an enormous number. We haven't lost that many Americans in a year of war since WW2.

Like I pointed out above, surveys show that most gun owners support common sense gun laws. Wait, let me guess: you don't believe in polls unless they are "unskewed" LOL. The loony rhetoric about "Gun Prohibitionists" and the like that you find in the gungeon is restricted to a small and primarily fringe-right-wing part of the population, and not all gun owners. For you to try and pretend that all "gun owners" are on board with your right-wing agenda is the same as Mitt Romney trying to pretend that all "small business owners" support tax cuts for the top 1%.

The gun lobby is well funded and the NRA has been doing an effective job pushing the will of a fringe minority to the detriment of general good. But they went "all in" this election, and got clobbered. It's time for sanity to return to the gun debate.

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Assault Weapons Ban supporter wins presidency, crushing NRA-backed right-winger!!! [View all] DanTex Nov 2012 OP

Democrat beats Republican sarisataka Nov 2012 #1

I can pretty well guarantee that any new AWB glacierbay Nov 2012 #4

You are actually the first I have seen who has made any statements like these: ThatPoetGuy Nov 2012 #5

It is often overlooked sarisataka Nov 2012 #64

it is Not that rights have limits, it is That rights have Responsibilities. Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2012 #109

I like that phrasing better sarisataka Nov 2012 #116

thanks Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2012 #119

Then you haven't been looking... friendly_iconoclast Nov 2012 #112

Yes I have. And I've seen your posts. ThatPoetGuy Nov 2012 #120

You've either got a memory problem, or your pants are on fire. Which is it? friendly_iconoclast Nov 2012 #127

You also seem to have missed these threads started just yesterday friendly_iconoclast Nov 2012 #128

That pretty much sums up where I'm at OriginalGeek Nov 2012 #8

I have to go buy a holster this afternoon. jeepnstein Nov 2012 #2

Just bought an Akers flatsider and a desantis miniscabbard trouble.smith Nov 2012 #125

I am as happy as you are to see the President reelected. hack89 Nov 2012 #3

I'm happy that President Obama won. Atypical Liberal Nov 2012 #6

I agree 100% with Atypical Liberal Yavapai Nov 2012 #31

Every word of this post speaks to my actions and sentiments. NT Simo 1939_1940 Nov 2012 #88

+10- I can't disagree with a word of that. friendly_iconoclast Nov 2012 #114

If it's such a political winner... krispos42 Nov 2012 #7

There is no "gun violence epidemic" - That is a myth being pushed by authoritarian extremists slackmaster Nov 2012 #9

Mass murder by firearms is up...eom Kolesar Nov 2012 #10

No it isn't; it's just more reported by the media. Mass murder is indeed down. n/t Decoy of Fenris Nov 2012 #11

Is so Kolesar Nov 2012 #19

it doesn't say it is up either. gejohnston Nov 2012 #25

Your own link states that the number of mass murders are the same. Decoy of Fenris Nov 2012 #26

The headline on that piece is disingenuous. "Not down" does not mean the same as "up." slackmaster Nov 2012 #94

The Washington Post recently cited some actual research that debunks that claim slackmaster Nov 2012 #16

Actually, it's a statistical reality recognized by leading public health experts. DanTex Nov 2012 #15

Whatever anyone else says, the FBI's hard numbers show crime rates decreasing slackmaster Nov 2012 #17

And we still have 30,000 gun deaths a year. DanTex Nov 2012 #20

A tiny number in America's population. Decoy of Fenris Nov 2012 #22

Wow. 30K deaths per year is "miniscule". DanTex Nov 2012 #33

Evade, evade, "Moral high ground", evade. Decoy of Fenris Nov 2012 #34

Evade what? DanTex Nov 2012 #40

It is statistically insignificant; you know that. Decoy of Fenris Nov 2012 #43

That is not true at all. DanTex Nov 2012 #50

Vietnam was -not- a big deal in terms of casualties. Decoy of Fenris Nov 2012 #55

Interesting. I see that even you understand that what you are saying is so preposterous DanTex Nov 2012 #59

No, I just figured you'd alert and, failing that, run to Meta to cry about it. Decoy of Fenris Nov 2012 #65

So we're back to "lots of people die -- 30,000 more is no big deal". DanTex Nov 2012 #70

I think the thread has been enlightening as well. Decoy of Fenris Nov 2012 #73

Ignore what science? Are you just making things up? DanTex Nov 2012 #74

You asked what statistical insignificance was. Decoy of Fenris Nov 2012 #76

You are making less and less sense every post. DanTex Nov 2012 #80

Your argument is: Guns kill. While true, it's also false. Decoy of Fenris Nov 2012 #83

Umm... no, that's no my argument. DanTex Nov 2012 #89

Are suicides a gun problem or a mental health problem? hack89 Nov 2012 #95

It is both. Why can't pro-gunners understand the concept that there DanTex Nov 2012 #99

So lets treat it as a mental health problem hack89 Nov 2012 #100

How about we address both? DanTex Nov 2012 #101

So what gun law would significantly decrease suicides? nt hack89 Nov 2012 #102

For example, waiting periods. DanTex Nov 2012 #103

The mental health screening would be blatantly unconstitutional hack89 Nov 2012 #104

According to Scalia, maybe. DanTex Nov 2012 #105

Not willing to actually discuss my points? What at shock hack89 Nov 2012 #106

I was talking about the extent of the gun violence epidemic when you entered the conversation. DanTex Nov 2012 #107

You conflate two separate issues to support your anti-gun bias hack89 Nov 2012 #110

No I don't. I simply report the true extent of the death toll from guns. DanTex Nov 2012 #111

You converted a complex phenomena into a black and white cartoon with guns as the main villain hack89 Nov 2012 #113

Actually, that is exactly what you are doing. DanTex Nov 2012 #118

As long as gun deaths continue to decline like they have for the past 30 years hack89 Nov 2012 #126

Just to be clear, hack, I have a couple questions. beevul Nov 2012 #129

I support all existing laws hack89 Nov 2012 #134

Elegant proof... beevul Nov 2012 #136

Start taking rights away from the sick, Glaug-Eldare Nov 2012 #141

There's also plenty of evidence that shows gun ownership doesn't matter. friendly_iconoclast Nov 2012 #121

Correct. Compare it to the Civil War and both world wars and see. friendly_iconoclast Nov 2012 #115

Half of the number reflects a mental health issue hack89 Nov 2012 #35

Ok glacierbay Nov 2012 #38

Exactly. n/t Atypical Liberal Nov 2012 #45

Any time you include suicides in this discussion you've just lost the debate. Atypical Liberal Nov 2012 #42

Why is that? DanTex Nov 2012 #47

Because I'm not going to allow what someone chooses to do to themselves affect ME. Atypical Liberal Nov 2012 #53

Then why do these countries with stricter gun laws have higher suicide rates than the US? friendly_iconoclast Nov 2012 #117

"And we still have 30,000 gun deaths a year." EX500rider Nov 2012 #97

He doesn't give a shit about non-gun suicides or traffic deaths- they don't help his case. friendly_iconoclast Nov 2012 #122

Why the hell does my wife's b-day have to be after an election? Glassunion Nov 2012 #12

You might get some killer sales. Decoy of Fenris Nov 2012 #14

Plenty of "real Americans" own guns and voted Democrat. MicaelS Nov 2012 #13

Actually, what I made clear is that pro-gun extremism is comparable to things DanTex Nov 2012 #18

The whole point of your framing of the debate of MicaelS Nov 2012 #23

Absolutely right glacierbay Nov 2012 #27

It is a public health issue. DanTex Nov 2012 #28

It's not an enormous number; stop dodging. Decoy of Fenris Nov 2012 #30

Yes, it is an enormous number. DanTex Nov 2012 #36

And poisoning takes 66 days off. Decoy of Fenris Nov 2012 #41

Poisonings and car accidents are big problems also. DanTex Nov 2012 #46

Epidemic according to whom? glacierbay Nov 2012 #51

According to public health experts on gun violence. DanTex Nov 2012 #56

Statistically significant: Decoy of Fenris Nov 2012 #60

LOL. That was a serious clueless post. DanTex Nov 2012 #66

You completely missed my point. glacierbay Nov 2012 #61

Well, you probably want to talk to your buddy Decoy. DanTex Nov 2012 #67

How many time do I have to explain what I'm saying? glacierbay Nov 2012 #69

It depends what you mean by "statistically insignificant". DanTex Nov 2012 #71

I've explained myself in the simplest terms I can glacierbay Nov 2012 #77

You have done no such thing. DanTex Nov 2012 #79

You seem to have a big problem telling the truth glacierbay Nov 2012 #84

Again with the boldface... DanTex Nov 2012 #91

There is -every- reason to tolerate said "Extreme" levels. Decoy of Fenris Nov 2012 #58

No there isn't. Not even close. DanTex Nov 2012 #63

Allow me to refresh your memory. Decoy of Fenris Nov 2012 #68

Just because you say guns are a civil right doesn't make it true. DanTex Nov 2012 #72

Then by your argument... Decoy of Fenris Nov 2012 #75

What? Now you're saying I don't want blacks to vote? DanTex Nov 2012 #78

They are basic civil liberties as outlined by the Constitution. Decoy of Fenris Nov 2012 #81

Let's face the truth here glacierbay Nov 2012 #86

Thanks, brother. Decoy of Fenris Nov 2012 #92

Whoo-WEEE! Got that right. Bull in da ring.nt Eleanors38 Nov 2012 #139

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #148

The second amendment is about militias if that is what you mean. DanTex Nov 2012 #87

By your lights, President Obama has a "silly grade-school understanding of civil liberties" friendly_iconoclast Nov 2012 #130

That horse is dead. You can quite beating it. GreenStormCloud Nov 2012 #143

Now THAT's a load. Glaug-Eldare Nov 2012 #142

And the #1 reason glacierbay Nov 2012 #44

Let's look at some more reaslistic numbers, shall we? Atypical Liberal Nov 2012 #49

Thanks for the stats. DanTex Nov 2012 #54

No problem. Atypical Liberal Nov 2012 #57

It is a mental health issue (suicides) and a criminal justice issue (violent crimes) hack89 Nov 2012 #39

You can keep screaming and stomping your feet as much as you want rl6214 Nov 2012 #52

Not quite, you are about the only one that actually thinks gejohnston Nov 2012 #24

The Harvard School of Public Health also thinks so. DanTex Nov 2012 #29

not quite, it is a couple of ideolouges and departments who get grants from from gejohnston Nov 2012 #32

Odd. "Public Health Law Research" finds all of his proposals inconclusive. Decoy of Fenris Nov 2012 #37

LOL. "after checking a few studies" DanTex Nov 2012 #82

I said some of HIS studies were biased. Decoy of Fenris Nov 2012 #85

Of course: "the studies are biased". DanTex Nov 2012 #93

Repeatedly asserting is not "making clear", no matter how *you* feel about the subject. friendly_iconoclast Nov 2012 #123

You didn't notice the two NRA supported Dems speaking at the DNC? gejohnston Nov 2012 #21

All that means is there will be a HUGE run on guns and ammo, stimulating the economy rl6214 Nov 2012 #48

Weak argument 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #62

The NRA sunk millions into the election, calling Obama the most anti-gun president ever. DanTex Nov 2012 #98

They wasted their money slackmaster Nov 2012 #138

"and start to do something about the 30,000 people who die every year from gun violence" EX500rider Nov 2012 #144

Given Glacierbay's statement upthread, I agree. Decoy of Fenris Nov 2012 #90

Hey, if you want to ignore the numbers, that's up to you. DanTex Nov 2012 #96

Actually it's 30,000 people killed by people. AtheistCrusader Nov 2012 #124

You insist on holding others responsible for their own actions. Atypical Liberal Nov 2012 #133

you sound like a one issue voter. Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2012 #108

Ouch discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2012 #132

Not only that but... discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2012 #131

What other "epidemic" has seen a 50 percent drop in mortality? nt hack89 Nov 2012 #135

AIDS slackmaster Nov 2012 #145

Let's review what the President actually said about the AWB, shall we? aikoaiko Nov 2012 #137

Better title: AWB-supporter beats AWB-voter. There. All fixed. Eleanors38 Nov 2012 #140

Touché Glassunion Nov 2012 #147

I over reacted in post #12 Glassunion Nov 2012 #146

GOP/NRA CABAL = LOOOOOOOOSSSSEEEERRRRS!!!! ellisonz Nov 2012 #149

Algebra? o.O Decoy of Fenris Nov 2012 #150

"I'm not certain I follow." ellisonz Nov 2012 #151

That's not arithmetic, it's algebra. Decoy of Fenris Nov 2012 #153

furthering to polarize the country i see IvanKilmensky Nov 2012 #152

You'll get used to it. He's a proud bigot when it comes to guns. Decoy of Fenris Nov 2012 #154

What exactly has Obama done about the gun violence epidemic? hack89 Nov 2012 #155

BRAVO fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #156