Gun Control & RKBA

HankyDub

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48. Congratulations!

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 10:46 PM

Nov 2012

On making a good argument, something that whatshisname was unable to do. I did not know this about Kasich.

Your point was supposed to be that the NRA always sides with Republicans.

My point was that the NRA sided with a candidate who had signed an assault weapons ban into law and against a president whose record as executive is neutral/mildly pro gun.

In the most high profile race, they spent millions to support the guy who signed an assault weapons ban. I'm afraid the argument that they liked Paul Ryan isn't particularly believable.

The question remains...would they have supported a democrat for president after he had signed an assault weapons ban?

And the answer is clearly "no." Logically, one must conclude that their support is primarily based on ideologies other than RKBA.

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What The NRA's "All In" Failure Means For The Media [View all] SecularMotion Nov 2012 OP

<duplicate> sarisataka Nov 2012 #1

There has also been basically no national movement on gun laws krispos42 Nov 2012 #2

I think we also need to challenge the idea that the NRA is a single issue advocacy group. HankyDub Nov 2012 #6

I don't like the NRA glacierbay Nov 2012 #9

this is obviously untrue HankyDub Nov 2012 #11

Post the proof that the NRA glacierbay Nov 2012 #12

Proof is in the pudding. HankyDub Nov 2012 #16

What Proof? glacierbay Nov 2012 #18

Continue to ignore it HankyDub Nov 2012 #20

Just as I thought glacierbay Nov 2012 #22

as I thought HankyDub Nov 2012 #24

And you continue to refuse to provide proof. glacierbay Nov 2012 #25

I have provided ample proof HankyDub Nov 2012 #26

One more time glacierbay Nov 2012 #28

why is it you continue to ignore the centerpieceof my argument? HankyDub Nov 2012 #32

Here's what you said glacierbay Nov 2012 #35

As for second Admendment rights, Romeny is more pro gun than Obama. Travis_0004 Nov 2012 #130

your proof is the personal rants of the board of directors gejohnston Nov 2012 #30

that is just one piece of evidence I provided HankyDub Nov 2012 #31

Now your changing. glacierbay Nov 2012 #33

I said that they opposed a president who reduced restrictions on guns HankyDub Nov 2012 #36

No, glacierbay Nov 2012 #37

You have now avoided responding to my central point about 5 times now HankyDub Nov 2012 #39

That's funny you saying that I've failed glacierbay Nov 2012 #42

I have provided excellent evidence HankyDub Nov 2012 #43

You're not very good at this debate thing. nt WinniSkipper Nov 2012 #85

I agree with you. I have gone through the same argument with doc03 Nov 2012 #126

Still doesn't answer the question glacierbay Nov 2012 #127

All of Obama's bills gejohnston Nov 2012 #34

So they paid right wing lunatics iwth other agendas HankyDub Nov 2012 #38

But what other issues, other than gun rights have they advocated for? glacierbay Nov 2012 #40

so the NRA support for Strickland over Kaisach gejohnston Nov 2012 #41

How many ways can you guys avoid discussing the point I made? HankyDub Nov 2012 #44

because your conclusions are based on guesses without gejohnston Nov 2012 #45

what counter point? HankyDub Nov 2012 #46

Kasich voted for the federal one in 1994 gejohnston Nov 2012 #47

Congratulations! HankyDub Nov 2012 #48

The NRA (had) to endorse Strickland just what did they do to support him? doc03 Nov 2012 #128

my understand of why gejohnston Nov 2012 #129

So...did you actively support and work for the candidate whose gun position matched yours? dumbledork Nov 2012 #51

An interesting question that will probably be ignored... friendly_iconoclast Nov 2012 #53

Unlike 2a fanatics HankyDub Nov 2012 #59

I am a Constitutional fanatic...THAT is my single issue. dumbledork Nov 2012 #83

But of course you do pick and choose HankyDub Nov 2012 #84

Well, at the end of the day...make that the end of the century, all this bloviating and parsing dumbledork Nov 2012 #86

So you concede that your argument sucks HankyDub Nov 2012 #87

Could you spare a couple grams of whatever you're smoking? dumbledork Nov 2012 #88

Nor is anyone else here-that's why we voted Obama. friendly_iconoclast Nov 2012 #90

actually many of you seem to be single issue people HankyDub Nov 2012 #91

Ahem- *You* post here a lot and are... shall we say, "concerned" about guns, no? friendly_iconoclast Nov 2012 #92

Let's count. HankyDub Nov 2012 #93

That does not in any way affect the validity of what I say. friendly_iconoclast Nov 2012 #96

41% of your posts are to this forum backwoodsbob Nov 2012 #100

Oh, your pudding? Conservatives change infrequently. Reactionairies, never. Which are you? Eleanors38 Nov 2012 #54

You have not Jenoch Nov 2012 #99

I've been trying to get him to explain what other issues other that gun rights glacierbay Nov 2012 #101

Gun rights only? safeinOhio Nov 2012 #49

Once again glacierbay Nov 2012 #50

It seems that you have great difficult with reading comprehension. HankyDub Nov 2012 #60

Not playing your little game anymore. glacierbay Nov 2012 #62

Translation: "this being on the losing side of an argument really bites." I notice you in that apocalypsehow Nov 2012 #144

Once again: that ad mentions "debt," "spending," and "threats to sovereignty," and apocalypsehow Nov 2012 #143

Links? glacierbay Nov 2012 #145

What do you mean, "links"? Right there in #49, one of the posts we're arguing about it. apocalypsehow Nov 2012 #146

Welllllll glacierbay Nov 2012 #147

You are 100% correct! Logical Nov 2012 #58

The notion that the NRA is anything BUT a right-wing advocacy group is so obviously ludicrous apocalypsehow Nov 2012 #142

Anything coming out of MediaMatters glacierbay Nov 2012 #3

Many right wingers do hate mediamatters HankyDub Nov 2012 #17

So are you accusing me of being a RW? nt. glacierbay Nov 2012 #19

I'm pointing to your ad hominem HankyDub Nov 2012 #21

That's your opinion and I soundly reject it. glacierbay Nov 2012 #23

A reply on glacierbay's behalf Glaug-Eldare Nov 2012 #27

Thank you glacierbay Nov 2012 #29

Does the head of mediamatters still have an armed bodyguard accompanying him? Eleanors38 Nov 2012 #55

Disagree fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #70

Secular. MSM has been & continues to be the gun prohibitionist's pressure group. Eleanors38 Nov 2012 #4

As I said before, don't make the wrong assumption. Atypical Liberal Nov 2012 #5

The Democratic platform on guns SecularMotion Nov 2012 #7

Post removed Post removed Nov 2012 #8

Pretty much mirrors my beliefs also. glacierbay Nov 2012 #10

Careful sarisataka Nov 2012 #13

I can't believe that post was hidden. glacierbay Nov 2012 #15

No surprise. The content was fine. But prohibitionists get their way on alerts. nt Eleanors38 Nov 2012 #56

Please Do Not Lump Us All in One Group fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #68

Post #8 fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #67

for once you and I are in agreement. Bad alert. Bad hide. Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2012 #74

I don't know what's more disturbing... tortoise1956 Nov 2012 #89

This message was self-deleted by its author Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2012 #72

Bipolar nature of anti-RKBA folks: the NRA is too powerful vs the NRA has no power aikoaiko Nov 2012 #14

It's Called an Election fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #78

Losers. ellisonz Nov 2012 #52

NRA LOST fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #57

Which is a good thing. nt hack89 Nov 2012 #61

Agree fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #65

Pro 2Aers helped to re-elect Obama. n/t Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2012 #63

And So Did Dems Whose Majority and Party Platform Support an AWB fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #69

Nobody can get it all right every time. Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2012 #71

Not Talking about 'Nobody' fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #73

A lot of us held our nose on that rotten board in the platform and stepped around it. Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2012 #75

Ok fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #76

Yes, it is a major bone of contention within this party as is abortion for republicans. Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2012 #77

Fair Enough fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #79

agreed and a lot of it (on both sides) I think, has to do with the nebulous definition of both words Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2012 #80

That's Probably True fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #81

Dissenters in Each fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #141

The NRA is doing nothing but eating sour grapes after losing big; Dog Gone at Penigma Nov 2012 #139

Agree fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #140

So all your crying wolf about the NRA was really much ado about nothing... cherokeeprogressive Nov 2012 #64

Disappointing fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #66

Oh boy 81 posts on this, looks like you rattled the chains in the gungeon. doc03 Nov 2012 #82

This is actually good. hack89 Nov 2012 #94

I think it just didn't matter in this election because AtheistCrusader Nov 2012 #95

Word. I wrote the NRA off long ago. friendly_iconoclast Nov 2012 #97

Do you have an opinion Jenoch Nov 2012 #98

The NRA lost bigtime in 2012. Great article, and more great news to come in future graham4anything Nov 2012 #102

Meek Mike lost big too gejohnston Nov 2012 #103

He supported more winners than losers. He supports those that support gun control. graham4anything Nov 2012 #105

as far as I know, Brown was the only pol Mike supported gejohnston Nov 2012 #106

Bloomberg was the biggest supporter of Angus King among many, many others graham4anything Nov 2012 #107

so you are OK with him supporting canidates who coddle the criminals on Wall Street gejohnston Nov 2012 #108

You consider Angus King a bad person? The NRA is bad. Mike is the Equalizer. graham4anything Nov 2012 #109

never heard of Angus King. gejohnston Nov 2012 #110

Angus King is the newly elected independent Senator from maine who will caucus with Democrats graham4anything Nov 2012 #111

good to hear. gejohnston Nov 2012 #113

"guns.... They are WMD's" Then Bush was right about Iraq? AK's were and are common there. friendly_iconoclast Nov 2012 #114

This is one of the funniest posts I've read in a long time derby378 Nov 2012 #131

Ahem- "Saint Michael of Bloomberg" supported one notable winner in 2004: George Bush friendly_iconoclast Nov 2012 #115

I posted this on the OWS thread- however, 75% of it is relevant right here. graham4anything Nov 2012 #116

What are you, Bloomie's 'advance man' for 2016? The shilling is blatant. friendly_iconoclast Nov 2012 #132

He is not running in 2016 is he? A woman will be our next president45. Meet Hillary Clinton. graham4anything Nov 2012 #133

personally, I see Brian Schweitzer gejohnston Nov 2012 #134

IMHO-the dems won't nominate a white male. Just fact of demographics. The base after all graham4anything Nov 2012 #135

People didn't vote for Obama because of his race, gejohnston Nov 2012 #136

Here you are 100% correct. But history shows we need a woman next. graham4anything Nov 2012 #137

Can you give me an example of a law that would violate the 2nd Amendment? Glaug-Eldare Nov 2012 #104

I guess not. Glaug-Eldare Nov 2012 #112

My right to peaceful assembly is ruined by your right to ruin my right to assemble peacefully. graham4anything Nov 2012 #117

Whaaaat? Glaug-Eldare Nov 2012 #118

But my right to my peaceful right to assemble is ruined-ask Gabby Giffords when that extremist shot graham4anything Nov 2012 #119

So nobody can safely assemble again? Glaug-Eldare Nov 2012 #120

in your home you (may) have a right. Not on a public street.(someday) graham4anything Nov 2012 #121

Do you have a reply to #120, or just more rambling? Glaug-Eldare Nov 2012 #122

I am going to peacefully assemble a large group next weekend. oneshooter Nov 2012 #123

I hope Zimmy from Florida is not part of your group graham4anything Nov 2012 #124

Post removed Post removed Nov 2012 #125

As Katrina proved, the only riots in Katrina were the cops acting as vigillantes graham4anything Nov 2012 #138