Pistol grips on long guns, and rifle crime in general.

[beevul]

233. And bite you did.

"1. Jury disagreed 5-1."

That a jury hid that post is not evidence of anger.

But you knew that.

"2. "Facts not in evidence." - The idea that there are tens of millions of educated Americans who support gun control is plain obvious."


Thats a nice assertion, but the assertion in question was this:

"Oh please...you're the one insisting that I play your game to prove some vacuous point about how reasonable the gun culture truly is when there are tens of millions of educated adult Americans who disagree with that perception."

So again, facts not in evidence.

"3. I haven't denied the right to carry or to self-defense, I've just said there are limits."

Yet.

4" That would be your opinion on the availability of "certain avenues" and nothing more. The Court by no means slammed the door on an AWB in Heller."

Hahaha. You misunderstand. I am not talking about what avenues the courts will allow. I'm talking about the avenues WE will allow. We - you know - the WE that write letters, send emails, and make phone calls to elected officials. The WE that are the strength of the pro gun lobby. It guess it hasn't occured to you yet, that outside the few and dwindling (see Chicago and DC) anti-gun strongholds, you really aren't going to be able to shove things like another AWB down our throats anymore, unless we allow it - politically speaking - so long as the political equation remains the same, or tips farther in our favor. And it doesnt show any signs of getting worse, for us. We have the political strength. The anti-gun lobby does not. WE dont need the anti-gun lobby, the anti-gun lobby needs us. If that weren't true, the anti-gun lobby wouldn't be blaming us every time they didn't get what they want.

"5. That's not true, in numerous posts that I have no desire to go digging for pro-gun members and I have found agreement on closing the private sale loophole (more accurate term), on strengthening the NCIS, and on requiring reasonable safety efforts to keep guns from children.

Fair enough, I stand corrected, however, many in the anti gun lobby, including yourself, can't seem to shy away from things WE find intolerable, like the AWB for example.

Until you can, gun owners by and large - the kind that pay attention - will never trust you.

"I'm a very reasonable poster..."

Promoting a ban on rifles which are used in less than 3 percent of homicides, and are NOT easily concealable, is reasonable?

"...whats unreasonable often in this forum is the willingness to accept that gun control proponents have a seat at the table and to be heard."

I dont have any problem accepting that gun control proponents have a seat at the table.

I have a problem when "a seat at the table" becomes defined as uttering outright falsehoods, and blatantly false propaganda, completely with false and filthy insinuations, and "to be heard" becomes defined as being considered unquestionable, and not having to back up bold assertions which have no basis in reality as we know it.

Do I really need to post links to examples of any of those things for you?