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In reply to the discussion: Use of deadly force to protect property [View all]Starboard Tack
(11,181 posts)30. It should be illegal everywhere.
What does property defense have to do with self defense. Sorry, but the onus is and should be on the shooter to convince cops, prosecutor and/or jury that he/she was in fear of their life, not in fear of losing some junk, no matter it's monetary or sentimental value. No matter it's usefulness. No matter how dependent on it the owner is to make a living. If the taking does not immediately threaten life, then deadly force is never justified.
Anyone who considers property to be worth more than the life of even the most despicable of humans should not own a gun.
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I was asking about the law it self not how you personally value all human life
former-republican
Nov 2012
#3
Sounds like a complaint about a philosophy you also seem to be defending.
Dark n Stormy Knight
Nov 2012
#94
Kill someone because they dented your car and you'll see what humanity thinks of
Dark n Stormy Knight
Nov 2012
#95
it's not about property, not at all. It's about being safe and secure in your own home.
trouble.smith
Nov 2012
#129
I keep on reading too many stories of people who shoot and kill innocent people, sometimes strangers
SheilaT
Nov 2012
#5
since you are apparently independently wealthy, you can let someone steal your tools.
oneshooter
Nov 2012
#37
So you believe that I should just give my tools to the goblins that want them?
oneshooter
Nov 2012
#45
"What do you do when that happens, shoot yourself?" Funny comment on a not at all amusing topic.
Dark n Stormy Knight
Nov 2012
#93
Ah, there's a funny side to most things in life. Too many take it all way too seriously.
Starboard Tack
Nov 2012
#111
Good. And I would do the same, so there is no "however" applicable here.
Starboard Tack
Nov 2012
#123
If you're the one killing someone for taking a tv, you're the one putting that
Dark n Stormy Knight
Nov 2012
#96
Nope. If you choose to risk your life for a TV, you've made that choice for yourself.
Atypical Liberal
Nov 2012
#106
Any would-be thief should assume that choice is the worst-case for them.
Atypical Liberal
Dec 2012
#155
Well then I support changing the definition of a felony. The monetary value threshold should be
Dark n Stormy Knight
Nov 2012
#14
Well, you talked about the difficulty of assessing value of something that someone is running away
Dark n Stormy Knight
Nov 2012
#97
I think even if it was legal in every state , many would opt out of using deadly force to
former-republican
Nov 2012
#10
I didn't miss the recession. Far from it. I would fight that same fight to survive.
Starboard Tack
Nov 2012
#75
The topic of this particular thread is *deadly* force. No one had justified the need for that in
Dark n Stormy Knight
Nov 2012
#98
I think it depends on the value of the property. If someone threatens my house with a Molotov...
slackmaster
Nov 2012
#20
Do you think the person that decides to shoot a car thief who is stealing his 14 year old SUV
former-republican
Nov 2012
#21
I agree that it should not be a crime to shoot someone to prevent theft of your vehicle
slackmaster
Nov 2012
#24
I hope that I am never in such a predicament. I aimed my gun at a bird once - could NOT pull the
Tuesday Afternoon
Nov 2012
#25
Really? You think having a moral compass is contingent on being religious?
Starboard Tack
Nov 2012
#108
Just because I find something abhorrent, doesn't mean I don't understand it.
Starboard Tack
Nov 2012
#117
"Everyone should realize that the price you might pay for robbery or burglary is death."
Starboard Tack
Nov 2012
#78
You said "Everyone should realize that the price you might pay for robbery or burglary is death."
Starboard Tack
Nov 2012
#124
So many replies here basically saying Yes to your question because "property" is apparently more
Dark n Stormy Knight
Nov 2012
#50
So, if you touch my bicycle, I would be justified in shooting you or beating you to death
Kolesar
Nov 2012
#51
That's good. Now you don't even have to think about killing anyone over a lawn mower.
Starboard Tack
Nov 2012
#84
Yeah, I figured it was something asinine, and I guess Erie is just a lake.
Starboard Tack
Nov 2012
#87
This will always be a place where morons come in an attempt to pollute.
Starboard Tack
Nov 2012
#113
Like Zimmerman shot an unarmed innocent person way outside the perimeter of his home?
graham4anything
Nov 2012
#102
Zimmerman appears to be claiming self defense, not defense of property
ProgressiveProfessor
Nov 2012
#136
How was the asswipe claiming self defense when he chased an unarmed man named Mr. Martin?
graham4anything
Nov 2012
#138
Claiming it is easy, proving it another. Why did you bring him into this thread?
ProgressiveProfessor
Nov 2012
#141
Is there a standardized legal definition of "deadly force" among the states?
Dark n Stormy Knight
Nov 2012
#103
Yes there is a standard definition of what deadly force is. There is not a standard definition of
former-republican
Nov 2012
#109
Other side of the coin: People's thoughts on the use of deadly force/threat to steal property...
OneTenthofOnePercent
Dec 2012
#147
Is there even one State which does not authorize the use of deadly force against bank robbers?
AnotherMcIntosh
Dec 2012
#151