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46. If you are suggesting that only "rightwing nuts" have concealed carry permits or go to church. ...
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 03:04 AM
Nov 2012

then you are sadly mistaken.

I will grant that a higher percentage of Republicans own firearms than Democrats and it could be fairly argued that more White Republicans attend church on a regular basis than White Democrats. (Black Democrats are even more religious than White Republicans.)



In Florida which is a "gun friendly" state, gun ownership is very common. Florida does not require firearms to be registered, owners to be licensed or any approval of local officials to purchase firearms. Honest citizens of any race find acquiring a firearm a simple process. Florida is a "shall issue" state so consequently local officials can not discriminate on who can obtain a concealed carry permit so honest minority citizens who get the training and meet the requirements can get a carry permit for a very reasonable fee. Over 800,000 resident Floridians have concealed weapons permits.

In more "gun unfriendly" states and cities, numerous hurdles are placed in the way of any citizen who wishes to own or carry a firearm. Consequently it is far more difficult and often very expensive for a member of a minority community to obtain a firearm or a carry permit. A high percentage of Democrats live in such areas and this in itself might explain why a higher percentage of Republicans own firearms than Democrats. Change the gun laws in those states and cities to make them similar to those in Florida and over a fairly short period of time, I will predict that gun ownership would become common and many citizens would obtain carry permits. In ten to fifteen years I would predict that the percentage of Democrats who own firearms would be very close to the percentage of Republicans if not higher. (Realistically the politicians in the "gun unfriendly" areas of our nation will continue to make gun ownership difficult so my scenario will probably never happen.)

I have lived in Florida for over 40 years and have enjoyed target shooting handguns during that period. I have introduced a fair number of people to the sport of target shooting during those years and a good percentage were Black or Hispanic. Surprisingly a higher percentage of the minorities that I brought to the sport went on to get concealed carry permits. I don't believe that many of these individuals were Republicans although I might be mistaken as in some cases I never had any conversations dealing with politics.

I will politely suggest that it is somewhat foolish to stereotype any large group of people. There are an estimated 80,000,000 gun owners in our nation. Some are Democrats or Republicans and some are Independents. Some are very religious but many are atheists or agnostics. Some are rich and some are poor. Some live in rural areas and some in large urban areas. Some belong to a militia and fear the UN or Obama plans to take away their firearms but most feel this is paranoid and laughable.

Some fear the end of the world or civilization is near and have spent enormous amounts of money preparing for the end of civilization as we know it. Such people usually are well armed. Most gun owners might at the best have a few days or a couple of weeks of food stored in their homes in case of an emergency.

Some gun owners are poorly educated but a high percentage have college degrees and many hold professional jobs. Some gun owners are criminals or suffer from serious mental issues but most are honest responsible citizens.

If I misinterpreted your comment, I apologize. I just have a personal dislike against stereotyping any large group of people.

I obviously am a gun owner and I do have a concealed weapons permit. While don't go to church on a regular basis, I consider myself a "Christian." However many "Christians" that I know have told me to my face that my destiny is to burn in Hell. I usually politely remind them that judging others is above their pay grade.

Six years ago my daughter's marriage was conducted by a lesbian minister. This lady truly impressed me and if I had lived in her area, I definitely would have attended her services.

Obviously not all churches are "rightwing." You may realize this as in your post you stated:



It's a smokescreen for rightwing nuts. Like most churches.





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As long as they're following the law and the safety rules, Glaug-Eldare Nov 2012 #1
Faith can move mountains but they need a gun for protection? lalalu Nov 2012 #2
If god gave us free will, than all the fqaith in the world will do nothing... PavePusher Nov 2012 #14
While I believe in a creator or God ... spin Nov 2012 #19
"Many people believe God is an old man who sits on a cloud" holdencaufield Nov 2012 #23
So if God helps then it is his doing but if lalalu Nov 2012 #21
So what ,exactly, does this have to do with the topic at hand? Trunk Monkey Nov 2012 #26
It proves they are hypocrites. lalalu Nov 2012 #31
Congratulations, you're a better person than all of them - but still utterly irrelevant to the issue DonP Nov 2012 #32
I always feel better when exposing the lies of organized religion. lalalu Nov 2012 #35
I love people that are as self assured as you are ... DonP Nov 2012 #40
Thanks, I feel great. lalalu Nov 2012 #42
Churches are full of hypocrites. Jenoch Nov 2012 #34
LOL, another feeble spin. lalalu Nov 2012 #36
Huh? Jenoch Nov 2012 #53
No, it does not prove that. GreenStormCloud Nov 2012 #37
God can't even protect them in a church? lalalu Nov 2012 #38
Their church. Their beliefs. GreenStormCloud Nov 2012 #41
Thanks for admitting they don't believe God can protect them. lalalu Nov 2012 #43
Hmmmmm... TPaine7 Nov 2012 #49
Divine protection from the evil of men is NOT a Christian doctrine. GreenStormCloud Nov 2012 #50
How so? Trunk Monkey Nov 2012 #39
So what does it matter to you? GreenStormCloud Nov 2012 #29
It's a smokescreen for rightwing nuts. lalalu Nov 2012 #44
If you are suggesting that only "rightwing nuts" have concealed carry permits or go to church. ... spin Nov 2012 #46
Your own post starts out proving you wrong. lalalu Nov 2012 #47
In your opinion, is a Christian a hypocrite if she wears a seatbelt? TPaine7 Nov 2012 #48
Only cowards? GreenStormCloud Nov 2012 #51
The point of my post was that gun owners are a very diverse group ... spin Nov 2012 #54
I carried my PSD at church today. ileus Nov 2012 #3
If Jesus Christ had a gun, he could have stopped his own Crucifixion. nt ZombieHorde Nov 2012 #4
If he had a gun at that time, it would have made him a god.. pipoman Nov 2012 #6
Ha! Awesome! ZombieHorde Nov 2012 #8
True, but it could be argued that the Crucifixion was his destiny. spin Nov 2012 #20
You should cross post this in religion. rrneck Nov 2012 #5
That's a good idea. Thanks. (n/t) spin Nov 2012 #7
Now Smackwater Jack, he bought a shotgun upaloopa Nov 2012 #9
Interesting. Reminds me of this news story: ... spin Nov 2012 #10
Now how did I know you would post something like that? Gunners are so predictable. upaloopa Nov 2012 #13
is goupstate.com a "gunner web site"? PavePusher Nov 2012 #15
No only I only disapprove of prejudicial facts and evidence. upaloopa Nov 2012 #16
So, is goupstate.com a "prejudicial" website? PavePusher Nov 2012 #17
Do you disapprove of making stuff up, like you did in this post: GreenStormCloud Nov 2012 #27
There's a difference ... DonP Nov 2012 #33
Nope. I read and watch a lot of news. ... spin Nov 2012 #18
Not as predicable as grabbers. Jenoch Nov 2012 #30
churches aren't immune to thug violence ileus Nov 2012 #22
Who would Jesus kill? Now we will know. n/t Agnosticsherbet Nov 2012 #11
cool name: Justin Rocket Silverman Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2012 #12
That's what I was going to post originally, but I saw that you got to it first. slackmaster Nov 2012 #25
OHMYGOD! HOW HORRIBLE!!!111!!! FREE CLASSES?!?!? WHAT WILL THEY DO NEXT? slackmaster Nov 2012 #24
So what's wrong with that? N/T GreenStormCloud Nov 2012 #28
BREAKING: Churches across the country provide voting booths in order to attract members! n/t cherokeeprogressive Nov 2012 #45
That church is less than a mile from my house riqster Nov 2012 #52
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