Gun Control & RKBA

TPaine7

(4,286 posts) Thu Nov 29, 2012, 01:46 PM Nov 2012

Governor Pat Quinn's "Assault Weapons" Ban Defeated (Illinois) [View all]

November 28, 2012 (SPRINGFIELD, Ill.) -- A proposed assault-weapons ban that Illinois Gov. Pat Quinn announced in August with great fanfare has fizzled without discussion in the Senate.

The Senate voted 49-4 Wednesday to override Quinn's amendatory veto that rewrote legislation to prohibit the sale or possession of semi-automatic rifles, high-capacity magazines and .50-caliber guns.

Quinn's action came after a mass shooting at a suburban Denver movie theater.

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local/illinois&id=8901319

If, on the heels of a mass shooting you can't even pass an old-fashioned "assault weapons" ban in ILLINOIS... Well let's just say gun banners aren't doing as well as they think.

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Governor Pat Quinn's "Assault Weapons" Ban Defeated (Illinois) [View all] TPaine7 Nov 2012 OP

By a 49-4 vote in an overwhelmingly Democratic state Senate. friendly_iconoclast Nov 2012 #1

This statement is Berserker Nov 2012 #15

That was a really lopsided vote. GreenStormCloud Nov 2012 #2

Because those 50 cals are REALLY dangerous... ileus Nov 2012 #3

all those Americans killed by 50s every year! krispos42 Nov 2012 #4

'Cause every thug wants to go put a $2 cap in people's asses with a $5000 rifle. n/t Atypical Liberal Nov 2012 #5

... that's 5 feet long and weighs 60+ pounds ... n/t DonP Nov 2012 #6

Where are you getting $2/round .50 BMG? PavePusher Nov 2012 #24

It fell out of my butt hole. :) n/t Atypical Liberal Nov 2012 #27

If that much. Clames Nov 2012 #7

shhh, they'll want to ban those next. trouble.smith Nov 2012 #9

You'll upset Hannity and the TeaBaggers! krispos42 Nov 2012 #21

I suppose there may be a few blackpowder deaths per year. ileus Nov 2012 #17

Well, well, well... derby378 Nov 2012 #8

One of mine is a .62cal. oneshooter Nov 2012 #18

Whoah! That's like, um, 24% more deadly than a .50 petronius Nov 2012 #23

The original bill he amended was to allow intrastate mail order ammo purchases DonP Nov 2012 #10

Sen. Frosh tried that trick here Glaug-Eldare Dec 2012 #95

Either That..... fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #11

Go read the bill... Clames Nov 2012 #12

One of Seven Responses and NONE Address This fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #28

Waaaaambulance is one thread down. Clames Dec 2012 #63

A few Illinois facts DonP Nov 2012 #13

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #26

Two of Seven Responses and NONE Address This fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #29

What's an "assault weapon?" derby378 Nov 2012 #14

Three of Seven Responses and NONE address this fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #30

it will do nothing to reduce gun violence. gejohnston Dec 2012 #36

Huh? fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #37

who said anything about prevention? gejohnston Dec 2012 #40

I Did fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #41

more people are killed with bare hands gejohnston Dec 2012 #42

Notice fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #44

I have listed them, it simply doesn't serve gejohnston Dec 2012 #47

Right fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #49

gun bans do not save lives, gejohnston Dec 2012 #50

Good Grief fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #51

none of which is relevant to the discussion gejohnston Dec 2012 #64

Yes, it does make sense. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #66

Wishful Thinking fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #70

How so? Do you doubt the FBI's figures on rifle use in crime? friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #78

That's because it's another of your straw men DonP Dec 2012 #38

Nah fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #39

Too bad, you might actually learn something and enjoy it DonP Dec 2012 #43

Number Nine fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #45

Its a Violence problem, not a gun problem. Pacafishmate Dec 2012 #72

Right fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #86

It's illogical to assume a correlation. Pacafishmate Dec 2012 #125

Ugh, fine, here ya go sir pball Dec 2012 #123

FOID = permit derby378 Dec 2012 #126

It's more registration and less licensing sir pball Dec 2012 #127

Why do antis always bring up hunting when trying to justify gun control? Dr_Scholl Nov 2012 #16

Because they believe that hunting is the ONLY legitimate reason to own a gun. friendly_iconoclast Nov 2012 #20

Four of Seven Responses and NONE Address This fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #31

There's no need to offer 'alternatives' to gun Prohibitionists- gun violence in the US is decreasing friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #77

Tell That To The Dead fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #83

Ah, the appeal to emotion appears... friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #88

Nah..... fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #90

Sooner or later, we'll *all* join them... friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #91

WHOOPS fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #35

Addressing it: Any time a blanket ban is defeated, it is a victory for liberals and Democrats. Decoy of Fenris Dec 2012 #53

Right fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #55

Yelling fire in a theater when there is no fire is illegal, yes. Decoy of Fenris Dec 2012 #57

Libel Laws Not Withstanding fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #56

Copywrite and libel are exclusive, not inclusive. Decoy of Fenris Dec 2012 #59

Blanket Ban? fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #85

Um... Well, pretty much, yes, it does. Decoy of Fenris Dec 2012 #92

Yawn fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #93

So, your plan for reducing crime... Dr_Scholl Dec 2012 #76

Sounds like you THINK that is my plan or even true fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #84

Sounds like your plan is to do nothing but whine. Clames Dec 2012 #97

Right fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #98

Well you do that for others here already. Clames Dec 2012 #121

You mention hunting with an assault style rifle. ... spin Nov 2012 #19

Five of Seven Responses and NONE Address This fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #32

I personally have never owned an "assault weapon." spin Dec 2012 #62

You Write fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #99

That's because gun controll supporters don't understand the word "Compromise" DonP Dec 2012 #100

Forgo? fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #102

Thanks for the confirmation on your definition of "compromise" DonP Dec 2012 #106

So You Don't Want To Compromise? fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #109

How is this for a compromise? gejohnston Dec 2012 #112

New? fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #114

This message was self-deleted by its author friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #118

What you seek is appeasement, not compromise. friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #119

Right fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #120

We can discuss that the next time you actually have a gun control law that goes through Congress... DonP Dec 2012 #122

You've yet to show that the new gun control laws you want are necessary. friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #124

The lack of faith that gun owners have in the motivations of many of those who favor ... spin Dec 2012 #115

How about... bobclark86 Nov 2012 #22

Six of Seven Responses and NONE Address this fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #33

The purpose of the RKBA is not hunting.. MicaelS Nov 2012 #25

Seven of Seven Responses and NONE Address This fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #34

Addressing. Straw Man Dec 2012 #46

Well fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #48

Yes, you are whining. Straw Man Dec 2012 #52

So fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #54

I don't even know what that means. Straw Man Dec 2012 #60

See Post 48 fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #67

I have often proposed alternate solutions which gun control advocates have largely ignored. ... spin Dec 2012 #58

Agree With Most fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #68

I find it interesting that you oppose firearm safety training in high school. ... spin Dec 2012 #71

You Assume fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #82

Unfortunately almost every child in our nation ... spin Dec 2012 #89

It's not a 'suggestion'- gun violence in the US *has* dropped. friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #79

Upset? fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #81

If the laws Jenoch Dec 2012 #65

Agree fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #69

I'll address it, but you aren't going to like it. beevul Dec 2012 #61

"Gun violence prevention advocates" are largely gun Prohibitionists. friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #80

Not Me fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #87

You mean the shootings that are at a 40-year low? Recursion Dec 2012 #94

Because Gun Violence fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #104

So do refrigerators tipping over. Decoy of Fenris Dec 2012 #108

Right fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #110

Bet Quinn won't be happy with this... Clames Dec 2012 #73

a lawyer who moonlights as an armed security guard gejohnston Dec 2012 #74

Yeah, Beretta Tomcat I think. Clames Dec 2012 #75

Tomcat is a .32 Straw Man Dec 2012 #96

You know what they say? DonP Dec 2012 #101

Really fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #103

it is joke referring to the round's low power gejohnston Dec 2012 #105

Don't understand the technology - don't get the jokes DonP Dec 2012 #107

Guns are funny..... fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #113

It's obvious that many people who want strong gun control do not understand ... spin Dec 2012 #116

And they wear their ignorance proudly DonP Dec 2012 #117

Well to be fair, "strong gun control" sir pball Dec 2012 #128

Well fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #111