Gun Control & RKBA

jeepnstein

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84. Yes I did.

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 08:00 AM

Nov 2012

You went to an even sillier extreme and said something about piling them up out on the property line.

The owner did the right thing and bought a safe. Thieves broke into his home and stole the firearms and the safe. What more could a homeowner do? At some point the thieves and criminals must be held accountable for their actions. Apparently you feel otherwise.

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Thieves break into Springfield home, steal 500-pound gun safe containing 15 weapons [View all] trouble.smith Nov 2012 OP

They should Berserker Nov 2012 #1

if they had no idea what was inside... ileus Nov 2012 #3

No, I'm thinking the theives knew exactly what they were getting Blue_Tires Nov 2012 #8

My gun safe weighs 1,200 pounds empty slackmaster Nov 2012 #2

The thing about bolting a gun safe to the floor is that trouble.smith Nov 2012 #5

It's not possible to stop a thief who is very determined and has time slackmaster Nov 2012 #6

unless they're the safe cracking variety of thieves trouble.smith Nov 2012 #7

Dogs are easy for a thief to get rid of. GreenStormCloud Nov 2012 #19

it's all part of the deterrent package trouble.smith Nov 2012 #54

A husband and wife team safeinOhio Nov 2012 #83

Locks and safes are only intended to keep honest people out. Remmah2 Nov 2012 #35

Mine are anchored to both the floor and the wall. oneshooter Nov 2012 #50

And yet this safe is far in excess of the CDOJ minimum like mine. Atypical Liberal Nov 2012 #4

Isn't this how most criminals acquire their guns? Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #9

What "level of accountability"? friendly_iconoclast Nov 2012 #10

That would depend on individual circumstances. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #14

The guns were in a not-insubstantial safe. I see no negligence here. friendly_iconoclast Nov 2012 #16

I guess the exception sometimes proves the rule. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #20

Circular logic, casual bigotry and assumption of facts not in evidence friendly_iconoclast Nov 2012 #72

To correct the analogy AlexSatan Nov 2012 #22

Possibly, if the owner intended to boobytrap the room. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #24

Circular logic AlexSatan Nov 2012 #30

You are just never happy are you? Clames Nov 2012 #55

But if the dog is secured in your house and someone breaks in and gets all bit up by said dog trouble.smith Nov 2012 #37

Exactly AlexSatan Nov 2012 #40

I don't think you are getting it. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #41

So by your logic, if somebody steals your car tonight are you responsable for the damage they do? Travis_0004 Nov 2012 #76

Bad analogy Glassunion Nov 2012 #97

OK, it wasn't the best analogy. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #102

There should be. jeepnstein Nov 2012 #11

Silly jeepnstein, you're not blaming the victim! friendly_iconoclast Nov 2012 #12

Of course the thieves should be held accountable. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #17

that isn't relevent in this case gejohnston Nov 2012 #18

The owner went above and beyond to properly store his firearms. jeepnstein Nov 2012 #59

If thinking is silly, then you're right. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #62

Guns in safe = guns on porch? Straw Man Nov 2012 #77

Guns on porch? Sounds silly, but you said it, not me. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #82

Yes I did. jeepnstein Nov 2012 #84

Nice conflation of 2 completely different things. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #91

Right. Straw Man Nov 2012 #90

That's what extreme hypotheticals are - SILLY Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #92

A point? Straw Man Nov 2012 #93

And precisely WHAT " level of accountability" do you want? MicaelS Nov 2012 #13

Well yes the gun owner has damaged society. Glassunion Nov 2012 #15

I assume the same holds true AlexSatan Nov 2012 #23

You definitely need some analogy lessons. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #28

Why does it matter what it is designed for? AlexSatan Nov 2012 #32

Enjoy your sojourn Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #33

Have you noticed that a lot of folks do that on here AlexSatan Nov 2012 #34

Cars and guns have a lot in common. Remmah2 Nov 2012 #36

Talk to AlexSatan. You guys have a lot in common. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #39

What a load of crap. Clames Nov 2012 #58

Nope Glassunion Nov 2012 #38

I blame the thieves for stealing and the owner for reckless storage. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #25

but that was not reckless storage, gejohnston Nov 2012 #29

Apparently, it was reckless Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #42

that's absurd, gejohnston Nov 2012 #44

I'm not sure what exactly you think is absurd. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #46

it isn't easily moved gejohnston Nov 2012 #47

Sorry, but you are wrong. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #48

seriously? gejohnston Nov 2012 #53

I already acknowledged careless rather than reckless. Both fall under stupid. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #60

it isn't careless either. gejohnston Nov 2012 #63

Going beyond legal steps obviously wasn't enough. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #67

how was he arrogant? gejohnston Nov 2012 #70

Understand the mindset- 'He's a gun owner, therefore he's wrong' friendly_iconoclast Nov 2012 #75

This message was self-deleted by its author Glassunion Nov 2012 #98

So what would be sufficient? Glassunion Nov 2012 #99

Not my job to keep your guns safe. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #101

Remember their agenda is a ban on private citizens owning firearms. ileus Nov 2012 #66

I've moved things that have weighed >500 pounds. It ain't as easy as you make it out to be. friendly_iconoclast Nov 2012 #73

Banks accumulate lots of money, have security and get robbed, who's fault? Remmah2 Nov 2012 #85

and they accuse us of being the "nuts". What nerve. trouble.smith Nov 2012 #31

Who would "they" be? And who would "us" be? Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #45

the term "gun nut" is regularly used as broad brush smear attack against anyone who supports the 2A trouble.smith Nov 2012 #52

Apparently it was moved quite easily. Successful burglars tend to be stealthy. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #65

I used to handle office furniture for a living rrneck Nov 2012 #68

Well, I disagree, but so what, they took it. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #71

Lots of maybes, and I've seen 'em all. rrneck Nov 2012 #78

Out of a (probably) older house, to boot. friendly_iconoclast Nov 2012 #80

Yep. rrneck Nov 2012 #81

personally, I like a bigger safe but I think this gun owner did all that we could expect of him trouble.smith Nov 2012 #69

Of course. shadowrider Nov 2012 #49

You hit the nail on the head right there. trouble.smith Nov 2012 #57

"Shouldn't rights come with some level of accountability?" Remmah2 Nov 2012 #87

1A comes with accountability. They call it libel and slander. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #89

How much does it cost to watch your tongue? trouble.smith Nov 2012 #94

Obviously more than Mr. Dunn was prepared to spend. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #95

Is the violence in Mexico America's fault then-since we "walked" all those guns into Cartel hands? trouble.smith Nov 2012 #96

Depends how you assess fault. I don't ascribe blame for the actions of others. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #100

unless they stored their guns in a measly little 500 lb safe which was then stolen? trouble.smith Nov 2012 #103

Check the local hospital emergency rooms for men with hernias, strained backs, etc. N/T GreenStormCloud Nov 2012 #21

There are other tools available besides guns. See post 25 Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #26

I doubt you've ever moved anything that large into or out of a house. friendly_iconoclast Nov 2012 #74

You seem to have intricate knowledge of stealing things. Remmah2 Nov 2012 #86

I helped a friend move and it took 5 of us and a piano dolly to move his gun safe. nt Speck Tater Nov 2012 #27

Inside job mikeysnot Nov 2012 #43

This is obviously done by "friends" or it's inside. MrSlayer Nov 2012 #51

that is not at all obvious though it is possible of course. trouble.smith Nov 2012 #56

My point is that it was someone that knew it was there. MrSlayer Nov 2012 #61

yeah, that much seems fairly obvious. trouble.smith Nov 2012 #64

Doesn't have to be an inside job gejohnston Nov 2012 #79

Look at the bright side, only 15 guns were stolen plus the safe. Remmah2 Nov 2012 #88