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In reply to the discussion: Michael Dunn, Florida Man, Invokes 'Stand Your Ground' Law After Shooting Black Teen [View all]gejohnston
(17,502 posts)117. your image is from stock charactors from movies and TV
the kind of TV shows that would give someone from Idaho or Montana an accent someplace between Palin's faux folksy and stereotyped southern. As someone from that part of the country, Palin doing that annoyed and offended the shit out of me. But I digress.
The Trayvon Martin case gained notoriety because although the lead investigator believed there was probably cause to arrest Zimmerman, he was overruled and Zimmerman wasn't arrested until weeks after the shooting. The use of the word "may" when talking about investigations absolves the local police from any responsibility to conduct a thorough investigation. The Sanford police department was way too willing to accept Zimmerman's version of the case and no serious investigation was launched until the name Trayvon Martin became known nationwide.
could the cop's decision be colored by this?
http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/24/justice/florida-teen-shooting/index.html
Sanford is a typical small town...not known for its hospitality to outsiders. People think of FL as Miami, Naples or Palm Beach but most of the state is still very southern, racist, uneducated and intolerant.
So what's with all of the Canadian flags flying over trailer parks? How come all of the racists (or at least open about it) I run into around here seem to have New York accents? I doubt you have never been to Florida and know nothing about it. Most of the population is not from the South. Most moved here from the suburbs in the Northeast and Rust Belt. Yes those suburbs are no less racist than the stereotypical southerner. Where I live, most are either from Long Island or Queens. While their kids might have actually been born here, they are not southern in culture. Whatever their racial attitudes are, they brought with them. That is certainly true of the Orlando metro area, which Sanford is a part. I don't know about your neck of the woods, but where I'm from a population of over 53K is not a small town. It is especially not a small town when it is part of a metropolitan area of over 2 million people making money off of those outsiders.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Orlando
There are racists in the south, many are not. Some researchers believe support for Jim Crow among whites was more of a case of pluralistic ignorance than racism. Racism exists in the north as well. The only difference was that it didn't have the cover of law in the north.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pluralistic_ignorance
Any law that says it's all right to shoot first and maybe we'll ask questions later is a lousy law. The Texas SYG Law mandates a thorough
investigation of every SYG shooting. That's a good law.
why just shootings?
investigation of every SYG shooting. That's a good law.
If I may add one more thing race. If the jury is made up of all white racists, are they going to let a brown guy off?
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Michael Dunn, Florida Man, Invokes 'Stand Your Ground' Law After Shooting Black Teen [View all]
SecularMotion
Nov 2012
OP
The police department and DA were clearly imperfect...they accepted self defense
ProgressiveProfessor
Nov 2012
#66
The early hearing is FL unique and still requires documenting the elements of self defense
ProgressiveProfessor
Nov 2012
#73
That presumption is rebuttable - The perception of a threat has to be reasonable for the defense...
slackmaster
Nov 2012
#67
For someone who sees things in black and white, purple is in some sense refreshing...
Eleanors38
Nov 2012
#99
Ha! I like the "damned Yankee" definition. The unfortunate thing about death...
Eleanors38
Dec 2012
#130
My Dad, usually reticent in personal matters, told me this about his father...
Eleanors38
Dec 2012
#132
"The FL SYG law is so broadly written it is little more than a license to kill."
PavePusher
Nov 2012
#109
Or if the response to your request makes you scared enough to start shooting...
krispos42
Nov 2012
#32
The point of it is, he could have just ignored and endured it for the couple of minutes
Blue_Tires
Nov 2012
#42
I always carry a fresh pair of squishy ear plugs with me for just that reason...
slackmaster
Nov 2012
#80
Criminal intent (mens rea) is at the core of common law crimes, I would say.
Callisto32
Nov 2012
#113
Hold your horses, safeinOhio. We have no way of knowing his state of mind at the time.
slackmaster
Nov 2012
#14
It seems to me like this 'SYG' business should be decided by a jury, not by police at the scene
rbixby
Nov 2012
#56
It is not at all decided by the police. It is decided by the local prosecuter...
PavePusher
Nov 2012
#111
You may get dog-piled for posting that without a sarcasm tag, but I hope you are right.
slackmaster
Nov 2012
#15
Exception is multiple shots during a single attempt to shoot the intruder
ProgressiveProfessor
Nov 2012
#94