Gun Control & RKBA

GreenStormCloud

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5. Take a look at El Paso, TX

Reply to mikeb302000 (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 10:48 AM

Dec 2012

It is a major American city, on the border with Mexico, it has more guns than people, yet has one of the lowest crime rates in America.

In other places where gun restrictions are less onerous, domestic violence by formerly lawful gun owners, work related shootings by formerly law abiding gun owners and other like incidents make up a major percentage of the gun crime

You said, "Criminology is a well studied field. It is already well established that legal gun owners rarely use their guns in an illegal manner. It is extremely rare for a legal gun owner to commit murder as a first crime. Rare does not mean "never"; it sometimes happens, but rarely so."

DGUs are rare in Chicago because the legal ownership of handguns is still essentially forbidden in Chicago. It is kind of hard to use a gun for self-defense if you don't have one.

El Paso is much safer than Chicago, and has lots and lots of guns.

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Why "Chicago" is a Bad Gun-Rights Argument [View all] mikeb302000 Dec 2012 OP

They're always trying to use Chicago in a negative format. BVictor1 Dec 2012 #1

A correction to your post... Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #10

k&r +a zillion trillion billion graham4anything Dec 2012 #2

So you agree the most violent places are those with gang problems hack89 Dec 2012 #3

Yes, I've always agreed with that, but mikeb302000 Dec 2012 #32

And of course you have crime stats that show this? hack89 Dec 2012 #36

"I put a good deal of stock into the Google-search-engine method of determining statistics." pipoman Dec 2012 #4

Professor Google. Remmah2 Dec 2012 #6

LOL! So much for the dignity of scholarship. Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #11

Holy Cow! pipoman Dec 2012 #21

What else can he do from Italy? rl6214 Dec 2012 #15

Yet he regularly discounts actual stats pipoman Dec 2012 #20

When "actual stats" say there are millions of DGUs a year, mikeb302000 Dec 2012 #33

Because you and your "Google-search-engine method of determining statistics" pipoman Dec 2012 #35

Take a look at El Paso, TX GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #5

"Take a look at El Paso, TX" rl6214 Dec 2012 #16

Denying Oneka Dec 2012 #7

Automatic Rec for logic so twisted that it boggles the mind slackmaster Dec 2012 #8

Chicago, Politicians and Gun Control Remmah2 Dec 2012 #9

Gun control "working as it should?" For thugs. And elites. Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #12

Exactly sarisataka Dec 2012 #22

The gangs in Chicago deal drugs and can easily smuggle firearms ... spin Dec 2012 #13

Google-perception aside, does Chicago actually have a significantly lower rate petronius Dec 2012 #14

Good question. Straw Man Dec 2012 #17

Here they are: GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #18

I think we need something more specific than that, to address the OP's hypothesis petronius Dec 2012 #24

Thanks for the clarification. That can be dealt with. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #25

Compare Chicago to Houston, the nearest city in size; it's not a bit flattering to Chi-town: friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #28

Well, I don't know the view from a cafe in Rome, but living here is another matter DonP Dec 2012 #19

I bookmarked this thread for many reasons, your post included. friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #26

Another was *this* example of industrial-strength stupidity from the OP: friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #27

Might want to include Oneka Dec 2012 #31

Go ashead mikeb302000 Dec 2012 #34

just shootings or gejohnston Dec 2012 #39

Data like that is essential to your argument, which is why I asked you the question petronius Dec 2012 #40

This thread is a logic fail of epic proportions. nt rDigital Dec 2012 #23

yep, gun control is working perfectly in Chicago-for the criminals and the government. trouble.smith Dec 2012 #29

So where is a good example of a gun control argument? guardian Dec 2012 #30

Boy this takes the cake. Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #37

Google search engine stats? aikoaiko Dec 2012 #38