Gun Control & RKBA

Decoy of Fenris

(1,954 posts) Sat Dec 8, 2012, 03:47 PM Dec 2012

Licensing and registering all new handguns, regardless of make or model. [View all]

This is admittedly a post-and-run for now, but only because I have work in a bit and I'll be gone until next morning.

However, what are your thoughts as the subject line ("Licensing and registering all -new- handguns, regardless of make or model&quot as a first (and preferably last) step towards reducing gun violence? If somehow that legislation could be limited solely and exclusively to any new handguns (not rifle/shotguns), with incentives to voluntarily register/license older handguns, do you believe that the rate of firearm crime would decrease without significantly impacting the ability of the citizenry to obtain said firearms?

(Note: this is an attempt to gauge personal opinions on the notion. I would humbly request that name-calling and whatnot be checked at the door, but I don't control any of you, so it's only a request. )

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Licensing and registering all new handguns, regardless of make or model. [View all] Decoy of Fenris Dec 2012 OP

Excellent point, every criminal would immediately go to the nearest LEO station and register. jody Dec 2012 #1

I believe you've misread me, Jody. Decoy of Fenris Dec 2012 #3

No I didn't misread you because you did not guarantee that a list of registered firearms would not jody Dec 2012 #4

Jesus Christ. Where the hell did that come from? Buzz Clik Dec 2012 #30

there is no car prohibiton lobby, gejohnston Dec 2012 #36

There most certainly is an anti-car lobby. Buzz Clik Dec 2012 #40

Only if they are going to be used on public roads. Callisto32 Dec 2012 #115

You really do need to study the history of the right to keep and bear arms and other unalienable jody Dec 2012 #37

The Constitution of the United States. Gee, if only I studied that in school. Buzz Clik Dec 2012 #39

"Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but not their own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan jody Dec 2012 #48

what is the history of totalitarianism in the US? Here shadowrider Dec 2012 #64

ONLY if a car is driven on public roads does it have t be registered. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #38

Okay. I agree. If anyone is ever caught with an unregistered firearm in a public place -- busted. Buzz Clik Dec 2012 #41

It is the person, not the gun who is licensed. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #45

Ok. Let's change one word in my post: Buzz Clik Dec 2012 #49

As long as the permiting process is shall-issue. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #81

This is generally the way it is today in most places. Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #98

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #59

It's been done, and it's being tried. PavePusher Dec 2012 #62

But not vehicles used on private property. Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #97

I missed this part: "That's already happened in this country as discussed before on this forum." WTF Buzz Clik Dec 2012 #44

You really need to visit this forum often and learn about RKBA. nt jody Dec 2012 #47

Oh, no.I need to never visit this forum. Buzz Clik Dec 2012 #50

Oh. PavePusher Dec 2012 #61

The only one freaking out with no facts and no basis around here, is you. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #89

Ignorant of History/Doomed to repeat it. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #88

You seem to be taking Jenoch Dec 2012 #21

My ideas come from those who fought for inalienable/unalienable rights in the beginning, 1600s. nt jody Dec 2012 #33

There actually is someone Jenoch Dec 2012 #75

This ranks as one of the most twisted responses I have read on this board. Buzz Clik Dec 2012 #42

Law abiding citizens have a right to keep and bear arms for self defense. LEO have a privilege jody Dec 2012 #46

" natural, inherent unalienable/inalienable 'rights'". What is natural about firearms? Buzz Clik Dec 2012 #51

You assert "rights can be revoked" and earlier "We have the same level of knowledge about the jody Dec 2012 #52

I did not bring it up. Jenoch Dec 2012 #74

it would provide jobs gejohnston Dec 2012 #2

Even if the expected reduction in firearms related crime was %100... -..__... Dec 2012 #5

What would registration accomplish? GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #6

How many guns were forcibly confiscated in CA & NY? safeinOhio Dec 2012 #23

the goal of annual car registration gejohnston Dec 2012 #34

California, SKS rifles. PavePusher Dec 2012 #63

All I'm asking safeinOhio Dec 2012 #68

Ah, you've moved the goal -posts. PavePusher Dec 2012 #70

As I recall, safeinOhio Dec 2012 #76

You recall wrong. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #91

"advised" safeinOhio Dec 2012 #92

Forcibly is your bar? AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #93

If that is what the voters in Cali want, safeinOhio Dec 2012 #94

I am personally OK with registration AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #95

The voters in Cali wanted Proposition 8. Do you respect that? friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #96

I don't care how impractical you think it may be. Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #100

Note, I said, and have always said, registration of safeinOhio Dec 2012 #104

The problem is... Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #105

I don't think it undermines it at all. safeinOhio Dec 2012 #106

Sure, but giving them a list of who can fight back does, too. Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #107

"universal firearm licensing"? safeinOhio Dec 2012 #108

Nope. That is why it is opt-out. Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #110

And of course this list would be made available on the net. oneshooter Dec 2012 #109

All of this can be accomplished while still preserving anonymity. Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #99

In other words, you'd need a permit to own any new pistol derby378 Dec 2012 #7

I need to register to vote. safeinOhio Dec 2012 #24

Depends on if we're talking registering as an owner, or sir pball Dec 2012 #77

I am also voluntarily registered as safeinOhio Dec 2012 #78

Registration and permission are two totally different things derby378 Dec 2012 #102

No one says you have to buy a handgun. safeinOhio Dec 2012 #103

No registration of firearms AT ALL! jbgood1977 Dec 2012 #8

Registration of firearms leads to confiscation Trunk Monkey Dec 2012 #13

Yes jbgood1977 Dec 2012 #15

How many guns were forcibly confiscated in CA & NY? safeinOhio Dec 2012 #25

how massive does it have to be? gejohnston Dec 2012 #35

Like I said, no ones guns were taken away using safeinOhio Dec 2012 #57

Who said anything about WND? gejohnston Dec 2012 #83

Wrong- SKS rifles, in California. friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #84

One is too many. jbgood1977 Dec 2012 #112

So, one murder rampage with safeinOhio Dec 2012 #114

I don't see what substantial benefit there is to registration. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #9

No registration, no way other than NFA. nt rDigital Dec 2012 #10

Good to hear from you. discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2012 #17

You forgot guns that have been stolen... rDigital Dec 2012 #18

Oh yeah... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2012 #19

Are all manufacturer's serial numbers unique? AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #22

I guess... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2012 #43

Unless you have data that suggests registration would have the effect you want... PavePusher Dec 2012 #11

Switzerland. safeinOhio Dec 2012 #26

But do you have evidence that this is a result of their registration process... PavePusher Dec 2012 #60

You asked for evidence that "suggest". safeinOhio Dec 2012 #65

You haven't demonstrated any link between the registration and the low crime rate. PavePusher Dec 2012 #66

Yes I did. safeinOhio Dec 2012 #69

No, you really didn't. PavePusher Dec 2012 #71

No, you didn't. Clames Dec 2012 #72

according to this, gejohnston Dec 2012 #85

So if I build a flint or percussion pistol, oneshooter Dec 2012 #12

Pretty easy to include safeinOhio Dec 2012 #27

Want to give odds that they will? oneshooter Dec 2012 #58

Sure, safeinOhio Dec 2012 #67

No. Just no. beevul Dec 2012 #14

Federal registration will not happen anytime soon. ... spin Dec 2012 #16

How do they get away with safeinOhio Dec 2012 #28

I believe full auto weapons have to be registered in Florida. ... spin Dec 2012 #79

I'd be fine with such a thing. Even if it applied to all guns. Kaleva Dec 2012 #20

I'm with you, except safeinOhio Dec 2012 #29

Except that allowes the ownership of EVIL ASSAULT RIFLES oneshooter Dec 2012 #53

Easy. safeinOhio Dec 2012 #55

What about the 50 million gun owners who are not NRA members? hack89 Dec 2012 #90

Agreed. n/t Buzz Clik Dec 2012 #32

Excellent idea. Mandatory registration. Buzz Clik Dec 2012 #31

You got it. safeinOhio Dec 2012 #56

Only argument for it is ignorance... Clames Dec 2012 #73

But what's the argument FOR it? Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #86

Unless you live in california and tried to register an AR-15 between the dates of AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #87

Want we should pay yearly taxes on them, too? like cars and real estate. Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2012 #54

It would not reduce firearm crime, and would make it Glassunion Dec 2012 #80

I don't think registering firearms will affect crime rates. Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #82

The issue as I see it. Glassunion Dec 2012 #101

No. HALO141 Dec 2012 #111

For someone that was just going to be "gone until next morning" jbgood1977 Dec 2012 #113