Gun Control & RKBA

hack89

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29. Sorry -it was 92.6 %.

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 09:24 PM

Dec 2012

Table 1.

If the two factors use were homicide rate and gun availability (measured by gun suicides) and both homicide rates and suicide rates are lower than it would seem logical that the overall social cost of gun violence is falling. And if homicide rates are falling faster than suicide rates (which is true) then the social cost of each death has also fallen.

That study specifically said that the increased in homicide rates were due to illegal gun owners. I love how grabbers always want to lump legal gun owners in with criminals. I am not a pre-criminal regardless of how desperately you want to paint me with that broadbrush.

Go take care of the criminals.

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In Medical Triumph, Homicides Fall Despite Soaring Gun Violence [View all] SecularMotion Dec 2012 OP

I'm not going to subscribe to WSJ to read the whole article gejohnston Dec 2012 #1

Strange, I read the article without a subscription when I posted the link SecularMotion Dec 2012 #2

I couldn't read it either, but on the front page it's now labelled as "subscriber content" petronius Dec 2012 #4

It's probably a paywall that goes up after you read a few articles. : ( nt rDigital Dec 2012 #11

That's the part I've always wondered about - these attempted murders should be showing petronius Dec 2012 #3

Are they discussing per capita rates, or merely the total number? n/t PavePusher Dec 2012 #5

O.K., no subscription wall for me, so here's a few points from the article: PavePusher Dec 2012 #6

So all of the shootings wendylaroux Dec 2012 #7

Misleading title for OP. Clames Dec 2012 #8

Right! And the earth is flat too! Starboard Tack Dec 2012 #9

You believing that fits in perfectly with your other arguments. Clames Dec 2012 #13

Riddle me this then hack89 Dec 2012 #10

Good point. (n/t) spin Dec 2012 #12

This is because not all aggravated assaults involve guns. DanTex Dec 2012 #17

This entire situation is as clear as mud hack89 Dec 2012 #19

The one thing that is crystal clear is that the NRA bots will believe anything... DanTex Dec 2012 #23

They use a data set that perfectly staddles a historic high in gun violence hack89 Dec 2012 #25

LOL. I love it when scientifically ignorant pro-gunners take on the peer reviewed research. DanTex Dec 2012 #26

96% percent of the counties were populous urban counties. hack89 Dec 2012 #27

Not sure where you got that number. DanTex Dec 2012 #28

Sorry -it was 92.6 %. hack89 Dec 2012 #29

You really have no clue what is going on in that study. DanTex Dec 2012 #31

Appears I know more about it than you do hack89 Dec 2012 #32

Do you understand the results are based on county-by-county analysis and not national trends? DanTex Dec 2012 #33

Yes hack89 Dec 2012 #34

Umm, actually no you don't. DanTex Dec 2012 #35

But in aggregate those counties experienced a significant decrease in homicides. hack89 Dec 2012 #36

Again, you can't replicate county-by-county analysis based on aggregate data. DanTex Dec 2012 #37

You have lost track of the big picture hack89 Dec 2012 #38

Umm, once again, you can't replicate a county-by-county study based on the "big picture". DanTex Dec 2012 #39

Considering it was funded by a grant from the Joyce Foundation hack89 Dec 2012 #40

LOL. And there it is! DanTex Dec 2012 #41

I am willing to accept that it is a good study hack89 Dec 2012 #42

But you obviously missed the point of it completely. DanTex Dec 2012 #44

Yes - gun violence by criminals hack89 Dec 2012 #45

Does this mean Ludwig was right about emergency medicine? nt hack89 Dec 2012 #43

Where is the money? RamRoddoc Dec 2012 #14

Stab wounds are climbing faster... Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #15

Except gun violence is not "soaring". Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #16

Not all violent crimes are gun crimes. DanTex Dec 2012 #18

This message was self-deleted by its author Glassunion Dec 2012 #21

You may be right. Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #22

Comment about those charts. DanTex Dec 2012 #24

I just let Calc do it automatically. Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #30

According to the CDC, the story checks out. DanTex Dec 2012 #20