Gun Control & RKBA

hack89

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38. You have lost track of the big picture

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 10:20 PM

Dec 2012

the dates of their data was picked to include an historical peak in gun violence - homicide rates have been slashed nearly 50% since then.

Now if you want to believe that portions of America still have 1992 levels of violence then knock yourself out. It does not do anything for your credibility.

I understand that gun deaths represent a cost to society. The difference is you place the blame on the gun. I blame the criminals - just like your study did.

You have never been safer. Your study does not change that fundamental fact.

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In Medical Triumph, Homicides Fall Despite Soaring Gun Violence [View all] SecularMotion Dec 2012 OP

I'm not going to subscribe to WSJ to read the whole article gejohnston Dec 2012 #1

Strange, I read the article without a subscription when I posted the link SecularMotion Dec 2012 #2

I couldn't read it either, but on the front page it's now labelled as "subscriber content" petronius Dec 2012 #4

It's probably a paywall that goes up after you read a few articles. : ( nt rDigital Dec 2012 #11

That's the part I've always wondered about - these attempted murders should be showing petronius Dec 2012 #3

Are they discussing per capita rates, or merely the total number? n/t PavePusher Dec 2012 #5

O.K., no subscription wall for me, so here's a few points from the article: PavePusher Dec 2012 #6

So all of the shootings wendylaroux Dec 2012 #7

Misleading title for OP. Clames Dec 2012 #8

Right! And the earth is flat too! Starboard Tack Dec 2012 #9

You believing that fits in perfectly with your other arguments. Clames Dec 2012 #13

Riddle me this then hack89 Dec 2012 #10

Good point. (n/t) spin Dec 2012 #12

This is because not all aggravated assaults involve guns. DanTex Dec 2012 #17

This entire situation is as clear as mud hack89 Dec 2012 #19

The one thing that is crystal clear is that the NRA bots will believe anything... DanTex Dec 2012 #23

They use a data set that perfectly staddles a historic high in gun violence hack89 Dec 2012 #25

LOL. I love it when scientifically ignorant pro-gunners take on the peer reviewed research. DanTex Dec 2012 #26

96% percent of the counties were populous urban counties. hack89 Dec 2012 #27

Not sure where you got that number. DanTex Dec 2012 #28

Sorry -it was 92.6 %. hack89 Dec 2012 #29

You really have no clue what is going on in that study. DanTex Dec 2012 #31

Appears I know more about it than you do hack89 Dec 2012 #32

Do you understand the results are based on county-by-county analysis and not national trends? DanTex Dec 2012 #33

Yes hack89 Dec 2012 #34

Umm, actually no you don't. DanTex Dec 2012 #35

But in aggregate those counties experienced a significant decrease in homicides. hack89 Dec 2012 #36

Again, you can't replicate county-by-county analysis based on aggregate data. DanTex Dec 2012 #37

You have lost track of the big picture hack89 Dec 2012 #38

Umm, once again, you can't replicate a county-by-county study based on the "big picture". DanTex Dec 2012 #39

Considering it was funded by a grant from the Joyce Foundation hack89 Dec 2012 #40

LOL. And there it is! DanTex Dec 2012 #41

I am willing to accept that it is a good study hack89 Dec 2012 #42

But you obviously missed the point of it completely. DanTex Dec 2012 #44

Yes - gun violence by criminals hack89 Dec 2012 #45

Does this mean Ludwig was right about emergency medicine? nt hack89 Dec 2012 #43

Where is the money? RamRoddoc Dec 2012 #14

Stab wounds are climbing faster... Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #15

Except gun violence is not "soaring". Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #16

Not all violent crimes are gun crimes. DanTex Dec 2012 #18

This message was self-deleted by its author Glassunion Dec 2012 #21

You may be right. Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #22

Comment about those charts. DanTex Dec 2012 #24

I just let Calc do it automatically. Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #30

According to the CDC, the story checks out. DanTex Dec 2012 #20