Gun Control & RKBA

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1. Dude on Hardball said, We are the most

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 08:48 PM

Dec 2012

Heavily armed citizenry in the world, and we have the worst gun problems in the world.
That argument about arming more people make us less safe, not more.

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What if one of the teachers had a gun? One of them had 3, and they were used to murder 20 children [View all] CreekDog Dec 2012 OP

Dude on Hardball said, We are the most Ilsa Dec 2012 #1

Tweety hasn't traveled outside of US and Europe much gejohnston Dec 2012 #3

I was a teacher for 27 years and I never carried and gun and if there had roguevalley Dec 2012 #7

It's obvious that not having any defensive measures doesn't work. PavePusher Dec 2012 #8

no. more guns don't work. I don't care. There are other security measures roguevalley Dec 2012 #10

Check #13 below. What do you think? Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #14

People trained to protect, fine. No problem, Eleanors38. I own guns but not for killing roguevalley Dec 2012 #27

My family was teachers. I can relate. Thanks. Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #31

the concern is YllwFvr Dec 2012 #40

its a community thing keeping people safe. your idea is sound. I don't think roguevalley Dec 2012 #43

its my job to keep the community safe YllwFvr Dec 2012 #47

I salute your service. roguevalley Dec 2012 #95

God forbid anyone like you has a gun in a school jpak Dec 2012 #98

even if I was the school resource officer? YllwFvr Dec 2012 #104

his attempt at satire gejohnston Dec 2012 #105

jpak is a character for sure :) YllwFvr Dec 2012 #106

So you want to go it and shoot a teacher that has a gun? jpak Dec 2012 #97

Would you rather be in the position of shooting someone, NewMoonTherian Dec 2012 #18

BULLSHIT! Obviously, you aren't a teacher. I don't know a teacher who roguevalley Dec 2012 #26

Yes, that's the accusation I'm making. NewMoonTherian Dec 2012 #54

Respectfully, this has nothing to do with teachers "step(ing) up".... PavePusher Dec 2012 #36

I appreciate your thoughtful response. It helped me cool off a bit. NewMoonTherian Dec 2012 #55

Now you're on the right track, and I agree completely. PavePusher Dec 2012 #56

Tax guns and ammo to pay for school security jpak Dec 2012 #99

tax churches gejohnston Dec 2012 #101

Yes, tax the Unholy Church of Gun CULTure jpak Dec 2012 #103

No-one is saying "more guns". PavePusher Dec 2012 #24

Are you out of your mind???? Tumbulu Dec 2012 #32

Who said anything about "in the desk"?? PavePusher Dec 2012 #35

you are even crazier than I thought- on his belt???????? Tumbulu Dec 2012 #37

not saying I agree or disagree gejohnston Dec 2012 #38

You honestly think a firearm should be visible to children Tumbulu Dec 2012 #39

in the waistband retention holster YllwFvr Dec 2012 #41

What a nutty idea!!!!!!! Tumbulu Dec 2012 #57

I think I see the problem; you don't know what a retention holster is or does, do you? PavePusher Dec 2012 #62

I doubt he is interested gejohnston Dec 2012 #63

Listen, I suggest that you drop this discussion Tumbulu Dec 2012 #66

It's not much of a discussion.... PavePusher Dec 2012 #77

defending it? YllwFvr Dec 2012 #71

Keep the guns and gun nuts out of schools jpak Dec 2012 #100

I said no such thing gejohnston Dec 2012 #42

I never said visible. PavePusher Dec 2012 #45

Yes it all matters-why even come up with such an asinine idea! Tumbulu Dec 2012 #58

So, Isreal is abusing it's children? They arm their teachers.... PavePusher Dec 2012 #60

So Israeli's do this? Tumbulu Dec 2012 #64

How is providing real, effective security "abusive"? n/t PavePusher Dec 2012 #81

Do you have reading problems? He said in a "retention holster". GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #49

It is insane to even suggest that teachers be mandated to carry weapons around children. Tumbulu Dec 2012 #59

And again with an invention from you. No-one said "mandated". PavePusher Dec 2012 #61

You think about this crazy idea you are proposing Tumbulu Dec 2012 #65

is your issue that kids shouldn't be around guns? YllwFvr Dec 2012 #72

According to you, providing security for children is "sick" and "crazy". PavePusher Dec 2012 #78

20 children and 6 adults, including herself. elleng Dec 2012 #2

That teacher's gun wasn't with him/her. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #4

your defense of the principle is laughable CreekDog Dec 2012 #5

that the principal resisted the best he could until the cops showed up gejohnston Dec 2012 #6

Truth is painful that way. PavePusher Dec 2012 #9

So what did the vice-principal do wrong. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #21

No, he didn't. It's just another right-wing lie, and anyone repeating it should be banned. ThatPoetGuy Dec 2012 #51

ANOTHER IDIOTIC POST Tumbulu Dec 2012 #33

gsc sorry to ask you YllwFvr Dec 2012 #48

Here you are: GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #50

A small correction... ThatPoetGuy Dec 2012 #52

shared and thank you nt YllwFvr Dec 2012 #53

The gun was in the room with her when she died. n/t whopis01 Dec 2012 #68

While true, "in the room with" and "with" are not the same thing. ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #69

That teacher not only was absent from the classroom jbgood1977 Dec 2012 #11

More attack the victim ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #12

well that shows how low you will stoop --to characterize this as an attack on the victim CreekDog Dec 2012 #15

Blovate as you wish...you are still dogpiling the first victim without data ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #17

Apparently his "data" is based on bullshit. Clames Dec 2012 #30

A serious proposal to address school shootings... Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #13

Except that means spending money, and Boner Inc claims, "We're broke" Kennah Dec 2012 #16

Stop making sense. n/t PavePusher Dec 2012 #25

Apparently that would be abusive to children. See post #39. n/t PavePusher Dec 2012 #79

I bet there were plenty more teachers that had guns. krispos42 Dec 2012 #19

well you want us all to be expert at shooting at each other --because it will make us safer CreekDog Dec 2012 #22

Obviously silly thread topics don't lend cred, either. n/t krispos42 Dec 2012 #23

you mean it's a silly thread topic to ask what if one of the teachers had a gun? CreekDog Dec 2012 #29

Yes, so true (nt) Tumbulu Dec 2012 #34

There was a post in GD that the woman wasn't a teacher Kaleva Dec 2012 #20

But But Berserker Dec 2012 #28

+1 n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2012 #80

School teacher in Israel and her kids are ready for trouble - see pic Howzit Dec 2012 #44

According to #39, that's child abuse. PavePusher Dec 2012 #46

And I stand by that- how sick is that picture? Tumbulu Dec 2012 #67

By the normal definitions of "abuse", ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #70

Kids in a situation where their caretakers need tools designed to cause death isn't harmful? whopis01 Dec 2012 #73

the harm is the reason why the teacher is carrying gejohnston Dec 2012 #74

You are making my point exactly whopis01 Dec 2012 #82

So, how do you propose to defend people targeted by criminals? n/t PavePusher Dec 2012 #85

I never once said that people shouldn't have access to arms to defend themselves whopis01 Dec 2012 #87

So.... we should evacuate Isreal? Seriously, what are you saying here? n/t PavePusher Dec 2012 #75

Where on earth did you come up with that from? whopis01 Dec 2012 #83

Your cognitive disconnect is set on high today. PavePusher Dec 2012 #84

There is no cognitive disconnect here. whopis01 Dec 2012 #86

Thank you for the rational dialog. PavePusher Dec 2012 #96

thank you as well whopis01 Dec 2012 #102

A teacher ready to defend her students by a means other than suicide? PavePusher Dec 2012 #76

hasn't this been proven to be Bullshit? Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2012 #88

try reading the text of the message next time CreekDog Dec 2012 #89

bait and swtich. right up your alley, any self respecting DUer would self delete and close out the Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2012 #90

no, i left it open so people could commeth CreekDog Dec 2012 #91

it is deceitful. and you know it. but whatever dude. do your thing the way only YOU can do it. Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2012 #92

no because if i was trying to deceive i wouldn't explain how i was wrong CreekDog Dec 2012 #93

what if ...yeah right. what if a frog had wings? Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2012 #94