Gun Control & RKBA

Clames

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108. I'm sure you like to believe that.

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 06:54 PM

Dec 2012

And you're probably serious, but I've been to gun shows in multiple states with even the laxest of gun laws and have seen few if any such transactions. Most who take firearms to gun shows wind up selling or trading-in to a gun dealer (FFL holder) to pick up something they want more.

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Today I have re-thought my position on the second amendment. [View all] Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 OP

Thank you. You are more human than the NRAbots. lastlib Dec 2012 #1

I changed my mind after Columbine. Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #2

Anyone with a conscience must ask themselves: What are reasonable restrictions on liberty? friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #3

Liberty? fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #87

Yeah, liberty. As in the Second Amendment. friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #112

Same Question fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #114

Thank you for sharing. Glassunion Dec 2012 #4

Me too. earthside Dec 2012 #5

It's the phenomenon of the 'mucker'-or worse, the Breiviks and McVeighs friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #6

I get where you are coming from gejohnston Dec 2012 #9

That seems like a pretty simplistic question WestCoastLib Dec 2012 #10

mostly simply pointing out that gejohnston Dec 2012 #14

It isn't unique to the US, but it happens more here than anywhere else in the world. AllyCat Dec 2012 #106

we have more people gejohnston Dec 2012 #107

I'm sure they are on the Hill. AllyCat Dec 2012 #119

It doesnt do any good to have strick laws in one state if the others are lax. Vietnameravet Dec 2012 #13

kind of gejohnston Dec 2012 #15

How about going to a gun show,..where its easy to buy anything..thanks to the NRA Vietnameravet Dec 2012 #60

still a federal crime, and most sellers are FFLs gejohnston Dec 2012 #67

Well how come I see reports on TV Vietnameravet Dec 2012 #73

MAIG video editing=James O' Keefe video editing gejohnston Dec 2012 #75

Can't they buy a gun right then and there at the show? Auntie Bush Dec 2012 #85

it works the same as a store gejohnston Dec 2012 #86

Thanks for all that information. I feel better now. Auntie Bush Dec 2012 #99

I have bought two firearms from gun shows and both times I had to fill out a 4473... Clames Dec 2012 #88

That's good to hear...didn't know that. Auntie Bush Dec 2012 #98

At big shows, LEOs pick up a felon or two using standard Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #120

Go to just about any gun show in Ohio. Ikonoklast Dec 2012 #104

I'm sure you like to believe that. Clames Dec 2012 #108

I'm sure you've been to every gun show there is. Ikonoklast Dec 2012 #125

funny, gejohnston Dec 2012 #110

Guess you don't live in Ohio as I do, nor go to gun shows in Ohio, as I do. Ikonoklast Dec 2012 #124

no I haven't but gejohnston Dec 2012 #126

Violates the Commerce clause of the Constitution. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #80

Guns were all registered to his mother. Starboard Tack Dec 2012 #68

so I just found out gejohnston Dec 2012 #72

Okay tell me what restrictions has the NRA ever been willing to accept on firearms Vietnameravet Dec 2012 #74

They supported parts of the Gun Control Act, gejohnston Dec 2012 #77

If you want to hold a demonstration, you have to get a permit. JDPriestly Dec 2012 #24

Guns kill when used "properly" pscot Dec 2012 #47

Precisely! Starboard Tack Dec 2012 #70

+1 - exactly right! DrDan Dec 2012 #101

I could actually get onboard with basic competency licensing to own and to carry guns. But I don't TPaine7 Dec 2012 #62

Doesn't matter. They were available to him. Starboard Tack Dec 2012 #71

No, reports are now saying that he had a mental issue. His mother should have known that and taken TPaine7 Dec 2012 #76

Good point! Starboard Tack Dec 2012 #78

She's dead, so I don't suggest a scolding. TPaine7 Dec 2012 #79

How well is that law working? Starboard Tack Dec 2012 #81

It was a recommendation TPaine7 Dec 2012 #82

She's dead Lordquinton Dec 2012 #111

There's nothing that can be done to rectify past tragedies, we can only affect the future nt TPaine7 Dec 2012 #117

he would have had access regardless nt YllwFvr Dec 2012 #100

Yes!!! Here here!!!!! Tumbulu Dec 2012 #115

Not sure how you weed out violence in video games and movies. tblue Dec 2012 #23

The only reason I own a gun riqster Dec 2012 #7

Me too. donco Dec 2012 #8

Thanks for your thoughtful post.. and the others that are rethinking their positions Vietnameravet Dec 2012 #11

Total bans only work in police states- look at Mexico, or Jamaica friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #16

Not a Proponent BUT fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #21

Meth and heroin kill the user pscot Dec 2012 #48

Australia is not a police state. marions ghost Dec 2012 #53

Australia gun laws are not as strict as Mexico, Jamacia, or even gejohnston Dec 2012 #55

Australia's gun laws = effective by these statistics: marions ghost Dec 2012 #61

check the murder rate gejohnston Dec 2012 #69

And if Australia banned green-painted cars, then... krispos42 Dec 2012 #96

So are you suggesting we legalize those drugs? Vietnameravet Dec 2012 #59

IMO, should have been done years ago. When you Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #121

Gosh fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #89

yours is a human reaction and a humane one CreekDog Dec 2012 #12

And your post makes me rethink my opinion of you. Starboard Tack Dec 2012 #17

Thank You for Your Humanity fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #18

Good for you. Zoeisright Dec 2012 #19

Your thoughtful post and your honor help elevate our hearts this very sad day. colorado_ufo Dec 2012 #20

To all gun-nuts: You've HAD your say. You've HAD YOUR WAY! And THIS is what results. calimary Dec 2012 #22

only if they violate the law gejohnston Dec 2012 #26

When was the last time someone clubbed 20 kids to death pscot Dec 2012 #51

good question, but I'm sure the answer is not what either of us thinks. gejohnston Dec 2012 #58

The problem is much more pervasive than gun show parking lots. Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #28

I cant even speak right now... Pachamama Dec 2012 #33

The job of the police in the UK is to protect the people, oldbanjo Dec 2012 #41

Nice thoughts Flatpicker Dec 2012 #25

... meegbear Dec 2012 #27

I don't know why but your post made me cry Politicub Dec 2012 #29

Count me in too. 4_TN_TITANS Dec 2012 #30

The biggest problem is the people that won't even consider doing what you say Gman Dec 2012 #31

I think guns and ammo need to be seriously restricted. denverbill Dec 2012 #32

I don't see that as workable. Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #34

Well my other suggestion would be single-shot weapons only. No clips, no pump shotguns. denverbill Dec 2012 #45

they had repeaters too gejohnston Dec 2012 #46

I don't really have a problem having more restrictive laws than Canada. denverbill Dec 2012 #56

What are you going to do about Jenoch Dec 2012 #57

That would take an amendment of the constitution to revoke the 2nd amendment cstanleytech Dec 2012 #35

Thank you Harmony Blue Dec 2012 #36

I used to be a hot dog vendor DonCoquixote Dec 2012 #37

Good for you wryter2000 Dec 2012 #38

Bless you Hekate Dec 2012 #39

I with you. blackspade Dec 2012 #40

A heartfelt post. I don't have all the answers, either; but surely there is a way people of good apocalypsehow Dec 2012 #42

It's difficult to believe someone even sold this guy a gun marshall Dec 2012 #43

I'm with you today, brother. Time for very strong, historic action. Flatulo Dec 2012 #44

Getting rid of your guns won't likely help Meandering1 Dec 2012 #49

New 2nd amendment rules : blkbear Dec 2012 #50

It is good to see a gun owner marions ghost Dec 2012 #52

Either you get it or you don't. Old and In the Way Dec 2012 #54

I'm doing some serious thinking too Recursion Dec 2012 #63

I understand. Solutions may not be pleasant, but they should at least work. nt TPaine7 Dec 2012 #64

I understand. I'm open to ideas on how to keep unstable You Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #65

Thank You For Reflecting On This! ellisonz Dec 2012 #66

I don't know that it's so much an issue of weeding out lunatics Kennah Dec 2012 #83

Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #84

BAN THEM Spryguy Dec 2012 #90

now I know how a Muslim feels reading Free Republic gejohnston Dec 2012 #91

Be Careful fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #92

Yup! Spryguy Dec 2012 #93

that include at least two gejohnston Dec 2012 #95

and they are among the worst. gejohnston Dec 2012 #94

Poor thing. morningfog Dec 2012 #133

Bless your heart. gejohnston Dec 2012 #135

You're going to volunteer for the confiscation squads, I take it? friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #113

Not a bit of it. He'll just rely on people with guns to get it done. N/T beevul Dec 2012 #118

You can't un-invent gun. Here a guy shows how to make a sub-machine gun without sophisticated tools Howzit Dec 2012 #116

Repeal them all! majake Dec 2012 #122

Only when it applies to death spewer owners and Republicans :) Spryguy Dec 2012 #132

This mass shooting horrifies me too aikoaiko Dec 2012 #97

How about this Shivering Jemmy Dec 2012 #102

I'm fine with that given some due process aikoaiko Dec 2012 #103

I don't agree with this specific proposal bossy22 Dec 2012 #109

you are now a gun owner and not a gun nut Skittles Dec 2012 #105

Darrell Scott's daughter was the first killed at Columbine - His call for action can be seen here: Howzit Dec 2012 #123

Repeal the Second Amendment Now. Dems to Win Dec 2012 #127

You are a good person for doing this CountAllVotes Dec 2012 #128

You seem like a good person, but I think that you're not looking at this correctly ComplimentarySwine Dec 2012 #129

Nancy Lanza didn't plan on her guns being used to murder 20 kindergartners, but they were. Dems to Win Dec 2012 #130

What if I melt them down... ComplimentarySwine Dec 2012 #131

How many whose guns were used in mass shooting like this didn't morningfog Dec 2012 #134

I don't know ComplimentarySwine Dec 2012 #136