Gun Control & RKBA

holdencaufield

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51. Did it ever occur to you ...

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:35 PM

Dec 2012

... that the reason there is no productive debate about gun regulations is this country is that the loudest voices on either side of the argument don't present reasonable arguments?

Banning anything because of the way it looks is an argument totally devoid of merit or reason. That is why emotional laws like the AWB do nothing to inhibit crime or prevent the kind of tragedies you claim to be so upset about. What they do accomplish is to more entrench those who might otherwise be willing to engage you in seeking a workable compromise that actually does some good.

You need gun owners and gun enthusiasts -- people who actually understand firearms -- on your side to pass any kind of meaningful legislation. Otherwise, it's like the FAA being run entirely by people who are afraid of flying. You won't get anyone on you side by hyperbolic and emotional calls for bans on "military-looking weapons".

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Resolved: all gun sales and transfers need to have background checks [View all] jpak Dec 2012 OP

And purchases of any guns, license or ammunition should DURHAM D Dec 2012 #1

and the surtax needs to be substantial Tumbulu Dec 2012 #2

and some should be earmarked to pay for the medical bills and/or funerals jpak Dec 2012 #3

how about we do that for bongs as well? gejohnston Dec 2012 #7

But...but...but... we have been told there is NO illicit US gun trade with drug cartels jpak Dec 2012 #10

you missed the point gejohnston Dec 2012 #13

HuH? fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #34

end prohbition, hands come clean. gejohnston Dec 2012 #37

Logic? fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #39

not at all gejohnston Dec 2012 #42

No you miss the point - gun nuts oppose restrictions on straw buyer multiple gun sales jpak Dec 2012 #66

look up what a straw buyer is gejohnston Dec 2012 #69

If you limit gun buys to one per month per person -and flag those that buy more than 6 guns per year jpak Dec 2012 #71

what do you mean by look? bossy22 Dec 2012 #4

That's just plain stupid jpak Dec 2012 #9

whats your definition of military? bossy22 Dec 2012 #14

Why should it matter what it looks like? ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #16

So what's your opinion on this gun? krispos42 Dec 2012 #17

If it ONLY accepts a *unique* 4 round clip (1 in the chamber) jpak Dec 2012 #18

Mental note... krispos42 Dec 2012 #23

Airsoft! Remmah2 Dec 2012 #67

Bolt action rifles are still used by the military as are pump shotguns Kaleva Dec 2012 #5

Good l - let them be jpak Dec 2012 #8

I wouldn't place a ban on a gun just on what it looks like or resembles. Kaleva Dec 2012 #12

No it is not - .30 .30, .30 06 .273 .308 are deer rifles jpak Dec 2012 #19

You are talking calibers and not rifles. Kaleva Dec 2012 #20

an AK cartridge is a human hunting cartridge - not a deer hunting cartridge jpak Dec 2012 #21

The .30-30 round is just as effective as the 7.62�39mm in killing humans Kaleva Dec 2012 #22

No it ain't jpak Dec 2012 #24

I'm impressed gejohnston Dec 2012 #25

So you are saying the .30-30 round is more dangerous to humans then the 7.62x39 round? Kaleva Dec 2012 #28

Lever action Winchester .30-.30 = semi-auto AK variant with a 30 round clip? jpak Dec 2012 #30

How about Marlin or Henry? gejohnston Dec 2012 #32

Finding a 5 round mag for an AK variant is tough jpak Dec 2012 #33

I know they make them for ARs gejohnston Dec 2012 #38

Took a few seconds to find this site that sells them Kaleva Dec 2012 #46

Try feral pigs bobclark86 Dec 2012 #55

Florida's policy is to exterminate all invasive speicies gejohnston Dec 2012 #56

Bullshit - a 220 grain .30 06 round to the neck from a bolt action rifle jpak Dec 2012 #65

.30-06 is a military caliber. Straw Man Dec 2012 #54

Virtually ALL hunting cartridges are derived from military cartridges. jpak Dec 2012 #72

At the very least IMO we can do it Dec 2012 #6

well now discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2012 #11

The regular comedian is back. Clames Dec 2012 #15

This From the One Who Said Congress Is Unlikely to Take Up Consideration of New Gun Legislation fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #36

They've considered it every January/February when Feinstein and McCarthy usually submit their... Clames Dec 2012 #44

Keep Banking on That fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #45

Actually they are. Clames Dec 2012 #58

Trending? fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #61

They are indeed. Clames Dec 2012 #62

Quite the Contrary fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #63

Why do you add the stupid "anything that looks like" law? Recursion Dec 2012 #26

Civilian variants of combat arms gives gun nuts the warm fuzzies jpak Dec 2012 #31

Rambo had a big assed knife and a compound bow gejohnston Dec 2012 #35

You said mannlicher jpak Dec 2012 #47

mannlicher stock, I fail to see the humor gejohnston Dec 2012 #52

11 round capacity holdencaufield Dec 2012 #43

And their 'rifling' registered and recorded on point Dec 2012 #27

NY gave it up ....in March Historic NY Dec 2012 #53

Sorry this is a user fee and the guns purchaser pays all the freight on point Dec 2012 #57

A lots of money for collecting spent brass with no results.....in solving a criminal case. Historic NY Dec 2012 #59

Rifling is easily changed. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #64

Not resolved at all -- apparently holdencaufield Dec 2012 #29

Does this look too military? holdencaufield Dec 2012 #40

Yes - ban it - gun nuttery at its worst jpak Dec 2012 #48

Did it ever occur to you ... holdencaufield Dec 2012 #51

Gun nuts never present "reasonable arguments" and we have no more use for them jpak Dec 2012 #68

Thanks for making my point holdencaufield Dec 2012 #70

What military wears the Hello Kitty Insignia? Did SanRio start something? ; ) nt rDigital Dec 2012 #50

Resolved...anything you write must be with quill pen and ink rl6214 Dec 2012 #41

No registration, but open up NICS for the rest of us. That's a good start. nt rDigital Dec 2012 #49

I wish you had stopped with your title. Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #60