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Gun Control & RKBA

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BlueStreak

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Wed Dec 19, 2012, 03:02 PM Dec 2012

Should we try to form an alliance with gun dealers? [View all]

Last edited Thu Dec 20, 2012, 11:23 AM - Edit history (1)

I do not believe the Obama administration is pursuing the best strategy. Ultimately the best they can do is a minimal bill that perhaps outlaws future sales of large magazines. The law will be so weak as to not actually affect the biggest problems. Passing such a law is counter-productive because it will just create an opportunity later for the NRA to say "See we told you gun laws never work."

The better strategy is to go big, pushing for a major reform that actually would make us safer, including at least these elements:

- All sales must be through licensed dealers
- All sales require a 7-day waiting period and a thorough background check
- Manufacture, sale, or use outside a controlled shooting range of military-style weapons (Bushmaster etc) is a felony
- Existing owners can take their current military-style weapons to their grave, but cannot sell or transfer them. The government would offer a non-mandatory buy-back program
- Possession, manufacture, or sale of any magazine greater than 10 shots is a felony. They must be destroyed immediately with a government buy-back program.
- Every gun owner must maintain a current permit, including mandatory safety training by a licensed dealer every 4 years.

I believe most of us could agree more-or-less on that set of requirements, and in fact, many NRA members would agree with most of that because this actually STRENGTHENS their right to gun ownership. The fewer mass gun murders, the less likely society is to ban all firearms.

So here is the important thing. The Obama administration should actively recruit the GUN DEALER INDUSTRY. Screw the NRA. Win over the gun dealers and you have an effective force to knock off the NRA. Everything on my list above is potentially very good for gun dealers. It increases their revenue opportunities and it makes them much more respectable businesses in their community. You think a gun dealer would like a requirement that every gun owner has to regularly take a refresher course from a licensed gun dealer? Every sale has to go through the dealers? The dealers manage the government buy-back programs, just as car dealers managed cash-for-clunkers?

You bet gun dealers would buy into that as long as we fund it so they can make a fair profit for the job they do.

I would appreciate any thoughts about this. I am trying to think of the downsides, but I just don't see any. I think this is the only strategy that has a real chance of doing something really good for our society in the gun violence problem.

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given current IT technology gejohnston Dec 2012 #1
Hmm... Let me think about that. Nope, not a chance. jeepnstein Dec 2012 #2
You are saying you have a right to the same hardware that cops and the military have? BlueStreak Dec 2012 #3
Why not? jeepnstein Dec 2012 #4
Are you suggesting that the cops have special guns? ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #23
Actually, I think that actually *was* the intent of the 2nd Amendment roninjedi Dec 2012 #36
Why not? Why should police/military be a special class, elevated above the body of the Citizenry? PavePusher Dec 2012 #64
Waiting periods don't actually work, either.. X_Digger Dec 2012 #27
You think you should have the same capabilities as the police, federal agencies or military? doc03 Dec 2012 #34
I should have said, I am interested in comments from people who want to see sensible gun laws BlueStreak Dec 2012 #5
The gun dealers would not trust you. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #7
Do you think that is true of all gun dealers? BlueStreak Dec 2012 #10
the NRA would mobize reactionary bloggers gejohnston Dec 2012 #9
I'm sure they would fight, but BlueStreak Dec 2012 #11
probably not, but gejohnston Dec 2012 #14
I'm not going to debate the philosophy of a hypothetical. BlueStreak Dec 2012 #25
since all economies are demand based, gejohnston Dec 2012 #32
What kind of carrot would you have offered to Adam Lanza to not have murdered all of those children? BlueStreak Dec 2012 #33
the carrot would be for his mom to gejohnston Dec 2012 #41
What carrot would you have offered his mother to take better care of her weapons? BlueStreak Dec 2012 #47
Don't forget what happened to S&W when they agreed with Clinton on the AWB DonP Dec 2012 #12
How many gun dealers do you personally know? oldhippie Dec 2012 #60
I'm in the Midwest. BlueStreak Dec 2012 #61
Just curious .... oldhippie Dec 2012 #65
What do you expect a waiting period to accomplish? GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #6
I will only discuss the gun dealer angle here. BlueStreak Dec 2012 #8
Any dealer clffrdjk Dec 2012 #16
Colt has already been there, done that, got spanked by gun owners. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #19
I am suggesting the administration organize an outreach BlueStreak Dec 2012 #21
Momentum to cut into their own profits? GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #26
Come on. You're talking in circles now. BlueStreak Dec 2012 #29
until it happens again gejohnston Dec 2012 #38
That is why all rational gun owners should work with us NOW BlueStreak Dec 2012 #49
but the real issue isn't going to be addressed gejohnston Dec 2012 #50
That rationalization will not work here BlueStreak Dec 2012 #51
Never said it wasn't gejohnston Dec 2012 #52
Actually no BlueStreak Dec 2012 #54
I was talking about gejohnston Dec 2012 #55
Moving the goalposts, eh? BlueStreak Dec 2012 #56
not moving the goal posts at all gejohnston Dec 2012 #57
As I have said, I am not commenting about specific regulations here BlueStreak Dec 2012 #59
Point one and two maybe....all others no. ileus Dec 2012 #13
thoughts on your proposals. Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #15
from what I can tell, gejohnston Dec 2012 #18
"The only reason gun sales go through dealers is so that a background doc03 Dec 2012 #31
The OP proposed licensing for gun ownership. n/t Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #35
The way the post was written it sounds like he claims some kind doc03 Dec 2012 #40
I agree. Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #44
The "license" I was referring to would be equivalent to a background check BlueStreak Dec 2012 #62
some minor problems... virginia mountainman Dec 2012 #17
I'm not here to debate the possible regulations. This is about the strategy of involving gun dealers BlueStreak Dec 2012 #20
Ok, what is your carrot to get the dealers on board? clffrdjk Dec 2012 #22
Thank you. Here you go. BlueStreak Dec 2012 #24
straight to the pocketbook that is smart clffrdjk Dec 2012 #42
Regarding your points 1) and 3) BlueStreak Dec 2012 #45
I read through most of the comments and I see someone has come up with doc03 Dec 2012 #28
It would be nicer if we simply referred to 6-year-olds as BlueStreak Dec 2012 #30
the real issue is mental health gejohnston Dec 2012 #37
It makes me sick to read through this crap. I own guns I hunt, target shoot, doc03 Dec 2012 #39
If I may? gejohnston Dec 2012 #43
Thank you. Many of us are afraid of all gun owners BlueStreak Dec 2012 #46
Lots of things CAN be done. beevul Dec 2012 #53
Here's what I'd do kudzu22 Dec 2012 #48
A humble suggestion... beevul Dec 2012 #58
Point by point... PavePusher Dec 2012 #63
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