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Gun Control & RKBA

In reply to the discussion: Heinous. [View all]

frazee

(61 posts)
37. If you don't get the implication of their discussions about these "fables,"
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 07:10 PM
Dec 2012

I can't help you. Don't much care either.

Now this was easier than I thought, and took all of five minutes. All the links showed up on the first page after a google search.

“More guns, less crime isn’t just ‘quite possible,’ it’s a fact.” ~ Wayne LaPierre, 11-27-12
http://home.nra.org/iphone.aspx/blog/342

“More Guns, Less Crime Again” ~ NRA-ILA, 9-15-12
http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/fact-sheets/2010/more-guns,-less-crime-again.aspx

“States that adopted nondiscretionary concealed-handgun laws saw murders decreased by at least 8%, rapes by 5%, aggravated assaults by 7% and robberies by 3%. The murder rates of women permit-holders fell by as much as five times the drop of their male counterparts.” NRA-ILA,
http://www.nraila.org/gun-laws/did-you-know.aspx

“Coinciding with a surge in gun purchases that began shortly before the 2008 elections, violent crime decreased six percent between 2008 and 2009, according to the FBI. This included an eight percent decrease in murder and a nine percent decrease in robbery.
“Since 1991, when total violent crime peaked, it has decreased 43 percent to a 35-year low. The murder rate, less than half what it was in 1980, is now at a 45-year low.
“Throughout, the number of guns that Americans own has risen by about four million a year, including record numbers of the two types of firearms that the Brady (Campaign) folks would most like to see banned — handguns and the various firearms they call ‘assault weapons.’” ~ NRA-ILA, 12-19-2012
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2593272/posts

“The statistics indicate that between 2008 and 2009, as gun sales soared, the number of murders in our country decreased 7.2 percent.” ~ 5-28-10
http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/nra---fbi-data-again-shows-more-guns-less-crime/blog-334161/

Thank you come again.

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Heinous. [View all] frazee Dec 2012 OP
It's also hard to drown without water. Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #1
But the NRA... frazee Dec 2012 #6
I'm not familiar with the NRA particular positions. Where's your factual support for your AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #27
This took less than 3 minutes to find. frazee Dec 2012 #31
Your statement "the NRA ... would have us believe that more guns mean more safety" is not supported AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #33
If you don't get the implication of their discussions about these "fables," frazee Dec 2012 #37
So you just made this up about your boogeyman. Got it. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #38
No. But in the future, frazee Dec 2012 #44
they are using FBI statistics gejohnston Dec 2012 #39
I think you're arguing against yourself, there. frazee Dec 2012 #41
Actually, he is right on point. Correlation does not equal causation. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #42
Good grief. frazee Dec 2012 #43
no, gejohnston Dec 2012 #45
My apologies for misunderstanding. frazee Dec 2012 #47
You might be interested in this study... DanTex Dec 2012 #2
From that same study: GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #3
Umm, yeah, but as the authors point out, guns get transferred from legal to illegal owners. DanTex Dec 2012 #5
Most such "transfers" are theft. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #8
Speculation. DanTex Dec 2012 #10
Then why do we have so many folks in prison? GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #24
If the guns aren't there to begin with Shadowflash Dec 2012 #26
So you want to ban all civilian ownership of guns. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #30
I know it won't fly. Shadowflash Dec 2012 #32
Yeah, guns are such a big deterrent to crime, they're one of top theft targets! MightyMopar Dec 2012 #28
Mos burglars make a strong effort to make sure no one is at home. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #29
Thanks. I look forward to reading it. nt frazee Dec 2012 #7
The gun nuts will not like this thread jpak Dec 2012 #4
Is there a link to the complete report/study? ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #9
Sorry, the stats are mine... frazee Dec 2012 #11
Thanks for the explanation. ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #13
The stats are yours, as is your claim that "the NRA ... would have us believe that more guns mean AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #34
Please excuse me for being blunt but... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2012 #12
really confused, especially considering post #11 whereby he states that the stats are his Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2012 #14
Yeah, me too. discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2012 #15
The intent of this post was to counter something... frazee Dec 2012 #16
Not to sound like a broken record but... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2012 #17
Correlation doesn't necessarily imply a causal relationship, frazee Dec 2012 #18
In no way... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2012 #19
There can be no doubt. frazee Dec 2012 #20
I hated chemistry more than thermo. discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2012 #21
Fair enough. frazee Dec 2012 #22
Food for thought discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2012 #23
Yea, some people have created "more guns is the answer" as a straw-man AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #35
Except "more guns" isn't what is being said, so your hypothesis is false from the begining. PavePusher Dec 2012 #36
The survey on gun ownership was conducted frazee Dec 2012 #40
You don't seem to have controlled for having a criminal record. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #25
So... in summary... people need guns to produce shooting deaths. OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2012 #46
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