Is anyone truly interested in having a civil and productive conversation?

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11. None of those give us gun owners anything..

All of the "let's have a discussion" thread have the gun owners giving up some of our rights in return for nothing. The gun banners will simply be back for another so-called compromise, until we have nothing left. What will the gun-controllers give up?

How about a Federal concealed/open carry permit? It would be good in all states and cities, and could be carried in any gun-free zones. Training for it would be much more extensive than for a CCW, but far less than for an LEO. After all, CCWers don't need to study search and seizure, warrants, Miranda warnings, traffic laws, interrogation techniques, arrest procedures, etc.

Re-open the machinegun registry. Same rules as before. Legal in all states and cities.

Allow suppressors to be sold over-the-counter, no special permits needed.

Do away with Chicago and DC style oppression of gun owners. Let people have guns for self-protection in their homes and businesses without having to jump through all the hoops that those cities require.

Do away with NJ style ammo restrictions on hollow point bullets.

Do away with NY style restrictions of human silhouette targets.

National reciprocity in all states for state-level CCW permits.

That's enough for now. I will probably think of some more after I hit "post".

When the gun-controllers are ready to talk about giving in a some of those things, then I will be willing to talk about giving in on some of the things they want.