Should we try to form an alliance with gun dealers?

[gejohnston]

50. but the real issue isn't going to be addressed

This is not a uniquely US issue. None of these happen in a vacuum. There is a common characteristic of these guys in the US, school stabbers in China and Japan, school and mall shooters in Europe, and even the school bomber who killed even more kids than this guy did in 1927. If you look at all of these spree murderers around the world over time, they all have the same things in common. Mental illness, social stress during social and economic upheaval, social isolation.
Quite frankly, whether if we work with you or not, it won't affect the future. The next concession, will still be a concession not a compromise. Even with murder rates dropping there are cries of "increasing gun violence". That doesn't mean I don't think there should be changes in gun regulation, I have my own opinions. Some here have been reasonable, some are simply to push gun ownership out of the 99 percent. Microstamping and insurance for example. Many gun controllers I know tend to be kind of classist. It isn't so much about making the streets safer, than it is "those rednecks with Mossbergs scare me, but that nice man in tweeds and toting his Holland and Holland looks like a responsible gun owner." Most of the proposals by gun control advocates have nothing to do with what happened and half of the time is already current law. I'll post an OP of what I think should be done.