Gun Control & RKBA

OneTenthofOnePercent

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117. But if you want to take legislation seriously, you need to get serious about specifics.

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 08:11 PM

Dec 2012

Legislation is about defining legal boundaries clearly. The only way to be definitive and clear is to use technical delineation.

When this round of gun control fails, even after 20 school children have been murdered, it will be the fault of people like you. People like you with your nonchalant attitude towards process and lack of conviction for technical specifics and understanding will be to blame for the lack of change and when the next shooting that could have prevented happens - it will be on your shoulders and their blood will be on your hands.

20 dead first graders might be enough to tip the scales and move the country to want to pursue a real solution... but how many dead first graders will it take YOU to actually get serious about the specifics of real gun control?

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So, what would you do if Congress banned possession of high cap clips? [View all] jpak Dec 2012 OP

celebrate tk2kewl Dec 2012 #1

I would celebrate, too. SharonAnn Dec 2012 #151

Ditto. Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #176

Heave a sigh of relief and visit friends stateside a bit more often. PDJane Dec 2012 #2

I'd still stay away if I were you, spin Dec 2012 #24

No - it would be a "feel bad law" for the nutters jpak Dec 2012 #27

The best reason to oppose sarisataka Dec 2012 #52

Mainly because I oppose useless laws which accomplish nothing. spin Dec 2012 #56

Juvenile response...as usual rl6214 Dec 2012 #118

How does this help? Hudjes Dec 2012 #137

So you would burden the state with policing laws effective only in spiting the nutters? Howzit Dec 2012 #189

I've been shot at twice, once here during hunting season PDJane Dec 2012 #91

Give it up hoss, you're not going anywhere with that anymore. AAO Dec 2012 #139

What I said was factual and accurate. ... spin Dec 2012 #142

Nobody cares anymore. You gun nuts have gone far enough. Live with it. AAO Dec 2012 #146

That's your opinion and you are entitled to it. ... spin Dec 2012 #147

I don't hate gun owners. I try not to hate anyone. AAO Dec 2012 #160

Thanks for the apology. ... spin Dec 2012 #165

Hey, I agree with pretty close to 100% of what you said. AAO Dec 2012 #182

Hopefully those who are in power can find some common ground. (n/t) spin Dec 2012 #187

Yeah, but don't hold your breath waiting for it! n/t AAO Dec 2012 #192

Applaud. sinkingfeeling Dec 2012 #3

one thing CountAllVotes Dec 2012 #4

Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #140

Define high cap. Common Sense Party Dec 2012 #5

Because "law abiding" gun owners would abide the law and surrender them to the BATFE jpak Dec 2012 #8

Well obviously passage of a law that millions of people find onerous... Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #14

Yup. Prohibition does that. That is the raison d'etre for prohibition... Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #163

Do you abide EVERY law? Common Sense Party Dec 2012 #82

Tell that to... bobclark86 Dec 2012 #129

Hey! I resemble that remark :) Inkfreak Dec 2012 #134

I reassembled mine. Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #164

Good one. nt Mojorabbit Dec 2012 #159

+1 Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #166

According to you and others, mags are easy to change out. Kaleva Dec 2012 #12

I don't see why I should have to change mags. I have two perfectly Common Sense Party Dec 2012 #84

Under what circumstances quakerboy Dec 2012 #143

You honestly can't think of any circumstances? Common Sense Party Dec 2012 #152

I honestly think thats blowing smoke. quakerboy Dec 2012 #158

How many rounds are needed to kill a man with a Hi-cap mag? intaglio Dec 2012 #179

Nothing. I don't own any... (nt) petronius Dec 2012 #6

I worry more about this guy BeyondGeography Dec 2012 #7

In addition to high cap clips, they should ban Gun Porn too. jpak Dec 2012 #9

You don't like the First Amendment any more than you like the Second. N/T GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #13

I don't want to ban them but could you tell me why it is necessary to show them? CTyankee Dec 2012 #16

It excites Mr. Woodrow jpak Dec 2012 #21

who is mr. woodrow? CTyankee Dec 2012 #25

Mr. Willy Johnson jpak Dec 2012 #28

Oh. I guess I should have known that. But what is THEIR explanation? CTyankee Dec 2012 #80

Both have their limits jpak Dec 2012 #19

I'd keep all the ones I already have and just buy a few legal mags for public range use. OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2012 #115

Sell BeyondGeography Dec 2012 #123

I doubt magazines will ever be worth too much on the black market. OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2012 #124

My God! The Dukes are going to corner the entire hi-capcity magazine market! -..__... Dec 2012 #136

Get rid of them. nt jmg257 Dec 2012 #10

I'd shrug. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #11

They won't. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #15

Yes, the vast majority of gun nut republicans would oppose this jpak Dec 2012 #17

You forgot to mention Harry Reid. Jenoch Dec 2012 #130

Join the lawsuit. clffrdjk Dec 2012 #18

And if that failed - would you abide - or not? jpak Dec 2012 #23

People would probably "Abide" to the same extent that they "Abide" pot prohibition. dairydog91 Dec 2012 #33

If no one gets hurt - then it will be a success jpak Dec 2012 #37

Much in the sense that the war on pot is a success. dairydog91 Dec 2012 #39

Again, make it a felony and confiscate their guns - for life jpak Dec 2012 #43

Which, if the war on drugs is any indication, won't work. dairydog91 Dec 2012 #46

The harshest sentence would be charge them with a felony & confiscate their guns for life jpak Dec 2012 #50

The answer is marshmallow slackmaster Dec 2012 #20

"you'll put your eye out kid" jpak Dec 2012 #22

How can a ban on a box with a spring be effective?? virginia mountainman Dec 2012 #26

Don't do the crime if you can't do the time jpak Dec 2012 #30

How do you find them? Glaug-Eldare Dec 2012 #34

Citizen reports rapid sustained gunfire - police respond - find offending clips. jpak Dec 2012 #35

I'm sure the police in rural America are going to love this plan. dairydog91 Dec 2012 #38

All stupid criminals think they can't be caught - the law breakers will be apprehended jpak Dec 2012 #42

Hence the 2 second breaks every 10 rounds. Indistinguishable from changing out 10-round mags. dairydog91 Dec 2012 #44

If they create a racket - then someone will call the cops jpak Dec 2012 #47

I shoot in the desert in far west Texas rl6214 Dec 2012 #120

Yeah, can just imagine that 911 call sylvi Dec 2012 #174

Just like with cannabis, eh? friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #104

Make it a felony and take their guns away - that will get their attention jpak Dec 2012 #106

So who's going to do that taking? Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #167

Indeed, they will. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #60

LOL! Think of those long stringers of Black Cats. Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #168

Trunk checks? Glaug-Eldare Dec 2012 #48

As long as we feel like trashing one amendment sarisataka Dec 2012 #55

Unchecked gun ownership kills lots of people in the US each year. jpak Dec 2012 #66

I was not refering to any ban sarisataka Dec 2012 #90

The same way game wardens can check your trunk at road blocks. jpak Dec 2012 #64

Clearly, you're just baiting us. HALO141 Dec 2012 #101

If it accepts a banned clip - yes it does jpak Dec 2012 #102

No, it doesn't. HALO141 Dec 2012 #109

Yes it does jpak Dec 2012 #111

Whatever HALO141 Dec 2012 #113

Third grade argument at best rl6214 Dec 2012 #121

Every firearm which accepts a detachable magazine Glaug-Eldare Dec 2012 #119

jpak is a Master Common Sense Party Dec 2012 #132

who is the Master? gejohnston Dec 2012 #133

Nope sylvi Dec 2012 #170

^^^^This sylvi Dec 2012 #173

Getting around the 4A is easy in that regard bakpakr Dec 2012 #178

Thats ridiculous. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #53

Oh yes they do! jpak Dec 2012 #67

Look, that's not common. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #75

Those are the total yahoo gun nuts you mentioned, though... Glaug-Eldare Dec 2012 #81

Apparently you dont go to the range quakerboy Dec 2012 #145

No, I've never been to a range. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #148

Perhaps you missed the new quakerboy Dec 2012 #149

News reports said Lanza mother got half of husbands guns in divorce. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #150

How about quakerboy Dec 2012 #157

Just mass -shooting, or mass-murder in general? HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #162

So quakerboy Dec 2012 #180

We don't have unlimited political capital. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #181

Democrats get pounded quakerboy Dec 2012 #183

The one we won? HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #184

won on the economy, tax policy, Wall Street regulation, gejohnston Dec 2012 #185

Exactly! HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #186

Ask the NRA and its supporters quakerboy Dec 2012 #188

What if they are sneaky and pause a few seconds every five rounds? Howzit Dec 2012 #190

Then you won't mind such a ban at all! villager Dec 2012 #31

Five years in prison would probably convince most normal people that restricted magazines are fine. Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #32

Apparently nobody learned anything from the drug war. dairydog91 Dec 2012 #36

Make it a felony and confiscate the law breaker's guns - and fine them big time. jpak Dec 2012 #40

Stimulus: Harsh Sentences aren't discouraging crime. dairydog91 Dec 2012 #50

So, if the gov't took your guns and said you could never possess another one jpak Dec 2012 #54

Well, considering that I don't own anything, that's not a problem. dairydog91 Dec 2012 #59

What makes you think such laws will Jenoch Dec 2012 #131

If pot killed random strangers you might have a point. Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #95

applaud? villager Dec 2012 #29

Shrug my shoulders and roll my eyes, most likely. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #41

Then you would not oppose this? jpak Dec 2012 #45

I don't own a gun, it doesn't affect me. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #57

I'd put a block of wood inside them. Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #49

But with a duck gun - the max number of shells you can load is 5 jpak Dec 2012 #62

Havn't been duck hunting in years Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #68

It would still be a banned high cap clip - and you would not be a "law abider" jpak Dec 2012 #70

I'd be a civil disobedient. Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #78

and a felon jpak Dec 2012 #86

We'll see. Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #89

blocking a 30 round magazine with a removable block would not solve the problem HALO141 Dec 2012 #107

All high cap clips would be banned - no alterations to evade allowed jpak Dec 2012 #110

Again - Whatever HALO141 Dec 2012 #114

He loves changing the goalposts rl6214 Dec 2012 #122

I think he really HALO141 Dec 2012 #125

Applaud. catbyte Dec 2012 #58

What high-cap "clips" -..__... Dec 2012 #61

Why "clips" - because I do not abide by the gun nut lexicon for magazines jpak Dec 2012 #63

I prefer... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2012 #71

And that right there .... oldhippie Dec 2012 #72

I would welcome any ban bill if its authors were as wilfully ignorent this time around. -..__... Dec 2012 #74

I use the term clip as a rhetorical tool - and it works jpak Dec 2012 #76

No... it doesn't. Not even rhetorically. -..__... Dec 2012 #79

Again - the Gun Nut Conceit Fallacy jpak Dec 2012 #87

If you want to agitate against hydraulic fracturing, Glaug-Eldare Dec 2012 #92

Sorry - I could care less about bump firing or what percent of a receiver you need to circumvent jpak Dec 2012 #93

Not a requirement to discuss it, Glaug-Eldare Dec 2012 #97

Who ever thought jpak wanted to be taken seriously? Common Sense Party Dec 2012 #98

I do not take the gun nuts seriously jpak Dec 2012 #99

But if you want to take legislation seriously, you need to get serious about specifics. OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2012 #117

The requirement for a prohibitionist: Studied stupidity. Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #169

Then again sylvi Dec 2012 #175

We'll be eating stale chips then. Remmah2 Dec 2012 #65

Celebrate! LeftTurnOnly Dec 2012 #69

An instructive post... Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #171

There is a difference. LeftTurnOnly Dec 2012 #193

I follow gun laws, but some civil disobedience might be in order. aikoaiko Dec 2012 #77

I don't agree with banning anything tularetom Dec 2012 #83

This would be a good thing. Nobody in civilian life has a need for these Classroom Clips. (nt) ehrenfeucht games Dec 2012 #85

Finish lunch. nt rrneck Dec 2012 #88

I swore an oath that says, in part sarisataka Dec 2012 #94

Consteetooshunalist vigilantes are the worst of the bunch jpak Dec 2012 #100

Vigilantes and paranoid racists... sarisataka Dec 2012 #108

Laugh HALO141 Dec 2012 #96

Clever. Hudjes Dec 2012 #141

CHEER! marew Dec 2012 #103

I'd be fine with that. ileus Dec 2012 #105

All the gun nuts would have to back to playing with themselves instead of their guns. OregonBlue Dec 2012 #112

Not a thing rl6214 Dec 2012 #116

What a coincidence Hudjes Dec 2012 #135

Applaud that decision, and hope it's just the first of many to increase gun control laws. MindandSoul Dec 2012 #126

Note #171 above. There ARE good proposals out there... Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #172

Applaud. n/t cui bono Dec 2012 #127

Wait for the inevitable legal challenges... krispos42 Dec 2012 #128

I'd throw all of mine away imediately. What else would a "law abiding" citizen do? AAO Dec 2012 #138

Where are the 'law-abiding' gun owners who will abide the laws we choose to create? n/t Dems to Win Dec 2012 #155

Hanging out with the pot smokers? I dunno. n/t Glaug-Eldare Dec 2012 #156

I never said I had the details worked out! Sheesh AAO Dec 2012 #161

Wait for the large check ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #144

Look at it as a good first step. RetroGamer1971 Dec 2012 #153

Read a Magazine wercal Dec 2012 #154

Sit back and watch the black market sylvi Dec 2012 #177

General criminal violence is OK as It cannot be prevented, as long as the nutters are stopped Howzit Dec 2012 #191