Gun Control & RKBA

MichiganVote

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36. To parents, to neighborhood to people-the issue is safety.

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 11:21 PM

Dec 2012

Why do you think the NRS presz. posed his remarks as he did? Do you really think he's arguing for the mitigation of risk? No, the NRA KNOWS that the US public values safety above all else. Hell they sold us two wars on the basis of "safety". Of course he is going to argue that a gun is the tool to increase safety in schools. He wasn't going to preach freedom to slaughter 1st graders and that is exactly what the defense of the 2nd amendment would sound like.

If you want to permit the NRA or others to define the name of the issue for you, fine. But I assure you, the issue on the minds of the parent public is safety. They want it and they are going to get it.

The NRA wants to stay stuck in the good old days of the pseudo George Bush bravada. Its done. It is a turkey that is overdone and over.

No matter how long or how much it costs, the parent public is done with this. There will be arguments, chest beating and so on. And in the final analysis, it still won't be enough. There is a day of reckoning not coming-its already here.

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The case against an assault weapons ban [View all] Recursion Dec 2012 OP

So you are not arguing against a new AWB, your arguing for one that is greatly expanded. jmg257 Dec 2012 #1

I'm not sure Recursion Dec 2012 #3

One doesn't have to try and ban all semi-automatics. Kaleva Dec 2012 #9

This would be a serious proposal. krispos42 Dec 2012 #11

I have your thread bookmarked. Kaleva Dec 2012 #18

Thanks. krispos42 Dec 2012 #25

With my budget, I'd be limited to something like this Kaleva Dec 2012 #30

I'm gonna sell when my AR's are worth 3500. ileus Dec 2012 #23

And you'd probably get that in a few years if there was a comprehensive ban on... Kaleva Dec 2012 #27

Hopefully we won't see such a broad ban. ileus Dec 2012 #33

If someone votes Republican over this issue, we don't need them MightyMopar Dec 2012 #2

We don't get to decide what's important to voters (nt) Recursion Dec 2012 #6

Many people who don't vote would come off the fence to vote against the gun culture MightyMopar Dec 2012 #28

You wouldn't mind if we try to write a better law. upaloopa Dec 2012 #4

Firing so many rounds Recursion Dec 2012 #5

You are not thinking big enough. jmg257 Dec 2012 #7

Well you just keep bringing up exceptions and I can write a law to cover them upaloopa Dec 2012 #8

No, these aren't exceptions, that's my point Recursion Dec 2012 #10

Like I said it matters what paradigm you see the world through. upaloopa Dec 2012 #13

Well I in fact do think we need gun control, so you're missing something Recursion Dec 2012 #15

You keep dodging the subject. PavePusher Dec 2012 #39

Be aware that an AR-15 runs about $1,500 a copy. krispos42 Dec 2012 #14

What do you think fair market value on all those would be if they were illegal to possess? jmg257 Dec 2012 #16

Black markets are difficult to model Recursion Dec 2012 #17

No clue krispos42 Dec 2012 #20

You make it sound so simple .... spin Dec 2012 #21

I was told expressly that technical details didn't matter. krispos42 Dec 2012 #12

About Point #2 Bonhomme Richard Dec 2012 #19

Actually I think "pretend military rifle" is a great term Recursion Dec 2012 #22

Go ahead. I am tired of people getting hung up on semantics. Bonhomme Richard Dec 2012 #26

While I dislike the rhetoric, your points hold merit enough to warrant further study. Decoy of Fenris Dec 2012 #29

How about all of the lever rifles oneshooter Dec 2012 #56

I'm now into the school of thought that says reclassify all semi-automatics to be covered under the RomneyLies Dec 2012 #24

I think I understand that gun officionado's want to get the laws "right". MichiganVote Dec 2012 #31

Well said, and I do get that Recursion Dec 2012 #32

:) If only others did too. Thing is, we need every rational mind now on this MichiganVote Dec 2012 #34

It is not now, nor has it ever been, about "safety". ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #35

To parents, to neighborhood to people-the issue is safety. MichiganVote Dec 2012 #36

Well, you have it half correct. ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #37

We can exercise control too if its important enought to us. MichiganVote Dec 2012 #46

The last time we tried to legislate social safety quickly, we got the Patriot Act. PavePusher Dec 2012 #40

And I would argue that the Patriot Act was more about repression. MichiganVote Dec 2012 #45

One man's perception of safety is another mans repression. PavePusher Dec 2012 #48

Correct. Its a conundrum. Until you remember 20 dead 1st graders and their families. MichiganVote Dec 2012 #49

...and the fact that the laws of their state required them to be essentially defenseless.... PavePusher Dec 2012 #50

Ah, I see. The answer then in your eyes is for 1st graders to be defensive. MichiganVote Dec 2012 #53

Have fun with that shark you jumped.... PavePusher Dec 2012 #54

Then let's ban semi-automatic weapons with detachable magazines, then. And handguns. nilram Dec 2012 #38

"They aren't doing anyone any good..." PavePusher Dec 2012 #41

The Australian homicide rate was going down before the ban gejohnston Dec 2012 #42

I'm glad they got busted. Good news for a change. nilram Dec 2012 #43

agreed gejohnston Dec 2012 #44

Our homicide rate has gone down slightly more than Australia's has Recursion Dec 2012 #47

This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Dec 2012 #51

I disagree Recursion Dec 2012 #52

Skinner's temporary amnesty allowing Second Amendment posts in GD brought out those who only think jody Dec 2012 #55