Gun Control & RKBA

jody

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55. Skinner's temporary amnesty allowing Second Amendment posts in GD brought out those who only think

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 05:51 PM

Dec 2012

"ban, ban, . . . . . . . . . . . ban" and hate, hate, hate; none of which is helpful when a compromise needs cool heads, closed mouths, and open ears.

They refuse to understand simple definitions or the history of RKBA.

Most have never heard about DC v Heller or McDonald v Chicago much less read the opinions and dissents.

Most have no idea that Congress has authority over militias with Article I, Section 8, clauses 15 & 16 and doesn't need the Second's prefatory clause.

Those are the good things I've observed.

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The case against an assault weapons ban [View all] Recursion Dec 2012 OP

So you are not arguing against a new AWB, your arguing for one that is greatly expanded. jmg257 Dec 2012 #1

I'm not sure Recursion Dec 2012 #3

One doesn't have to try and ban all semi-automatics. Kaleva Dec 2012 #9

This would be a serious proposal. krispos42 Dec 2012 #11

I have your thread bookmarked. Kaleva Dec 2012 #18

Thanks. krispos42 Dec 2012 #25

With my budget, I'd be limited to something like this Kaleva Dec 2012 #30

I'm gonna sell when my AR's are worth 3500. ileus Dec 2012 #23

And you'd probably get that in a few years if there was a comprehensive ban on... Kaleva Dec 2012 #27

Hopefully we won't see such a broad ban. ileus Dec 2012 #33

If someone votes Republican over this issue, we don't need them MightyMopar Dec 2012 #2

We don't get to decide what's important to voters (nt) Recursion Dec 2012 #6

Many people who don't vote would come off the fence to vote against the gun culture MightyMopar Dec 2012 #28

You wouldn't mind if we try to write a better law. upaloopa Dec 2012 #4

Firing so many rounds Recursion Dec 2012 #5

You are not thinking big enough. jmg257 Dec 2012 #7

Well you just keep bringing up exceptions and I can write a law to cover them upaloopa Dec 2012 #8

No, these aren't exceptions, that's my point Recursion Dec 2012 #10

Like I said it matters what paradigm you see the world through. upaloopa Dec 2012 #13

Well I in fact do think we need gun control, so you're missing something Recursion Dec 2012 #15

You keep dodging the subject. PavePusher Dec 2012 #39

Be aware that an AR-15 runs about $1,500 a copy. krispos42 Dec 2012 #14

What do you think fair market value on all those would be if they were illegal to possess? jmg257 Dec 2012 #16

Black markets are difficult to model Recursion Dec 2012 #17

No clue krispos42 Dec 2012 #20

You make it sound so simple .... spin Dec 2012 #21

I was told expressly that technical details didn't matter. krispos42 Dec 2012 #12

About Point #2 Bonhomme Richard Dec 2012 #19

Actually I think "pretend military rifle" is a great term Recursion Dec 2012 #22

Go ahead. I am tired of people getting hung up on semantics. Bonhomme Richard Dec 2012 #26

While I dislike the rhetoric, your points hold merit enough to warrant further study. Decoy of Fenris Dec 2012 #29

How about all of the lever rifles oneshooter Dec 2012 #56

I'm now into the school of thought that says reclassify all semi-automatics to be covered under the RomneyLies Dec 2012 #24

I think I understand that gun officionado's want to get the laws "right". MichiganVote Dec 2012 #31

Well said, and I do get that Recursion Dec 2012 #32

:) If only others did too. Thing is, we need every rational mind now on this MichiganVote Dec 2012 #34

It is not now, nor has it ever been, about "safety". ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #35

To parents, to neighborhood to people-the issue is safety. MichiganVote Dec 2012 #36

Well, you have it half correct. ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #37

We can exercise control too if its important enought to us. MichiganVote Dec 2012 #46

The last time we tried to legislate social safety quickly, we got the Patriot Act. PavePusher Dec 2012 #40

And I would argue that the Patriot Act was more about repression. MichiganVote Dec 2012 #45

One man's perception of safety is another mans repression. PavePusher Dec 2012 #48

Correct. Its a conundrum. Until you remember 20 dead 1st graders and their families. MichiganVote Dec 2012 #49

...and the fact that the laws of their state required them to be essentially defenseless.... PavePusher Dec 2012 #50

Ah, I see. The answer then in your eyes is for 1st graders to be defensive. MichiganVote Dec 2012 #53

Have fun with that shark you jumped.... PavePusher Dec 2012 #54

Then let's ban semi-automatic weapons with detachable magazines, then. And handguns. nilram Dec 2012 #38

"They aren't doing anyone any good..." PavePusher Dec 2012 #41

The Australian homicide rate was going down before the ban gejohnston Dec 2012 #42

I'm glad they got busted. Good news for a change. nilram Dec 2012 #43

agreed gejohnston Dec 2012 #44

Our homicide rate has gone down slightly more than Australia's has Recursion Dec 2012 #47

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I disagree Recursion Dec 2012 #52

Skinner's temporary amnesty allowing Second Amendment posts in GD brought out those who only think jody Dec 2012 #55