Gun Control & RKBA

sarisataka

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18. Ultimately it is...

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 02:46 AM

Dec 2012

the criminal who seeks the gun, just as the drug user who seeks the drugs. No demand = no supply

The supply side blame comes from many sources. In no particular order- dealers who have no scruples and risk long jail time, private sellers who want to sell and not ask any uncomfortable questions of the buyer, criminally irresponsible gun owners who loose their guns (???) or leave them unsecured so they are easily stolen in a burglary, those who smuggle guns into the country, communities who turn a blind eye towards criminal activities, states that do not provide full information for NCIS and probably several other sources.

I cannot blame manufacturers however. They are selling a product according to economic law of demand and legal laws regarding manufacture and sales. I have never seen or heard of any manufacturer that specifically markets their guns for crime or is willing to sell outside of the proper legal channels. To do so would eliminate them from the market and be very counter productive. This is not to say the manufacturers are not completely ethical. As with any other corporation, they will take advantage of market fluctuations to enhance their own profit. These days it is the fears of strict controls which drive up prices. They will do all they can to harness this trend as long as it lasts.

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Why would anyone need several handguns? [View all] Toronto Dec 2012 OP

collectors perhaps? gejohnston Dec 2012 #1

That's the problem, this person didn't state that they were a collector. Toronto Dec 2012 #2

I think the average gun owner owns about 4 krispos42 Dec 2012 #5

depends on the poll you see gejohnston Dec 2012 #9

I agree with you Toronto Dec 2012 #22

Respectfully, the media is not "polarized." Most is stridently anti-gun. Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #45

OK. I stand corrected. Toronto Dec 2012 #67

It would be nice if MSM would check in with someone else other than the NRA. nt Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #82

well stated echo216610 Dec 2012 #100

I can see a couple of reasons. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #3

Several reasons. krispos42 Dec 2012 #4

To the last two posts, Toronto Dec 2012 #6

Though I was not one of the last two sarisataka Dec 2012 #11

ideally, gejohnston Dec 2012 #12

Should this type of gun safe or something meeting the same Toronto Dec 2012 #39

The discussion of security/legal liability was discussed yesterday in... Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #48

I advocate such measures. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #52

Yes. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #51

I don't do that. krispos42 Jan 2013 #134

To the gun owners only, Toronto Dec 2012 #7

The obvious answer... Clames Dec 2012 #15

So you don't believe Toronto Dec 2012 #40

Criminals breaking into peoples' homes and businesses... Clames Dec 2012 #57

Should there be a mandatory standard Toronto Dec 2012 #62

Only if you want to reduce the Right to the hands of the extremely rich. PavePusher Dec 2012 #102

Isn't that the same as saying Toronto Jan 2013 #131

The "driving standard" doesn't cost money. PavePusher Jan 2013 #136

I would say .... oldhippie Jan 2013 #133

Gun control: A theory, that people who disobey laws against murder, rape, etc. do care about gun law alpine44 Dec 2012 #24

So would you support any form of legislation Toronto Dec 2012 #41

There is no such safe. Glassunion Dec 2012 #54

OK. I understand what you're Toronto Dec 2012 #63

Absolutely. Glassunion Dec 2012 #69

USA vs Japan Botany Dec 2012 #104

post hoc ergo propter hoc gejohnston Dec 2012 #109

no it is the guns IPSO FACTO Botany Dec 2012 #110

actually no gejohnston Dec 2012 #111

I keep forgetting that Doug MacArthur and the Americans that helped write the post WW II Botany Dec 2012 #112

I was speaking of gun laws in general gejohnston Dec 2012 #113

Gun control groups have economists doing their research ..... Botany Dec 2012 #115

fault for what? gejohnston Dec 2012 #116

thanx for playing ..... pick up your lovely parting gifts on the way out Botany Dec 2012 #117

First and foremost, the criminals of course. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #53

+100 Starboard Tack Dec 2012 #91

How do you codify that responsibility or can you codify that responsibility? Toronto Dec 2012 #118

You probably don't... Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #119

Do you think that a national gun control campaign along the lines Toronto Dec 2012 #120

Depending on the content, yes, very possibly. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #122

I agree. But campaigns can evolve over time. Toronto Dec 2012 #124

The guy who breaks into my house... bobclark86 Dec 2012 #56

I'm gonna go with criminals for 200. ileus Dec 2012 #75

If someone has 10 handguns Jenoch Dec 2012 #8

My ex wife asked me that question one time ... spin Dec 2012 #10

Are there any gun control Toronto Dec 2012 #47

Yes tortoise1956 Dec 2012 #68

I have never understood pipoman Dec 2012 #101

Point taken tortoise1956 Jan 2013 #135

Yes. ... spin Dec 2012 #81

Would you support a federally mandated minimum Toronto Dec 2012 #87

I like your idea, but the ATF has no way of enforcing it gejohnston Dec 2012 #89

Not even if it was a modification of section 921(a)(34) of the Gun Control Act? Toronto Dec 2012 #93

it would still be a federal responsiblity gejohnston Dec 2012 #94

But if nothing in the GCA is enforceable Toronto Dec 2012 #96

the ATF oversees all manufactures, importers and dealers gejohnston Dec 2012 #97

I see, so insofar as it affects the stream of commerce Toronto Dec 2012 #98

That would depend on the level of gun security required. ... spin Dec 2012 #90

Different purposes sarisataka Dec 2012 #13

So what I infer thus far is that Toronto Dec 2012 #14

Ultimately it is... sarisataka Dec 2012 #18

hard question, gejohnston Dec 2012 #19

Why do women (and men) own dozens of pairs of shoes? alpine44 Dec 2012 #16

Why do women NEED a bazillion pairs of shoes? guardian Dec 2012 #17

So many people not only collect guns for recreational purposes, but collect them for self defense Toronto Dec 2012 #20

some have a clear and present threat gejohnston Dec 2012 #21

I totally get your reason for weapon ownership Toronto Dec 2012 #25

And what, in your opinion, is the real reason for gun crime? Clames Dec 2012 #28

The anti-gun people Toronto Dec 2012 #37

I doubt you have anything to back up that assertion... Clames Dec 2012 #60

I've lived in many parts of Toronto Toronto Dec 2012 #65

Differing worldviews Lurks Often Dec 2012 #64

I don't understand Toronto Dec 2012 #66

Lots of variables there... tortoise1956 Dec 2012 #70

Umm Lurks Often Dec 2012 #72

It is a matter of perception and choice more than fear sarisataka Dec 2012 #71

I can only speak for myself, but I can tell you that I live in a part of my city that has a SheilaT Dec 2012 #74

"There are a lot of very unsecured guns out there." PavePusher Dec 2012 #105

I can tell you that the reports I'm reading are not ones of SheilaT Dec 2012 #125

Absolutely. The average Toronto Dec 2012 #126

Because pro-gun are paranoid wimps? Spryguy Dec 2012 #127

Please don't put words in my mouth, Toronto Dec 2012 #128

Most gun crime in the U.S. is drug related. jeepnstein Dec 2012 #35

I bounce between Wyoming and Florida gejohnston Dec 2012 #73

You can delegate the need to carry a gun to the ones who answer your 911 call... alpine44 Dec 2012 #23

Nope bobclark86 Dec 2012 #92

It's the society we've always lived in and always will. PavePusher Dec 2012 #103

Just because I have a permit doesn't mean I carry at all times...still need it to carry some times iiibbb Dec 2012 #129

I guess we need to define "gun nut" & "collector". napi21 Dec 2012 #26

Different calibers. Different sizes. Concealement. Target. Open carry. geckosfeet Dec 2012 #27

maybe for the same reason I own so many computers hollysmom Dec 2012 #29

A .22 for target practice - ammo is much cheaper hack89 Dec 2012 #30

Does one have "need" before they can own? ileus Dec 2012 #31

Some people buy different guns just because they like them dizbukhapeter Dec 2012 #32

I understand that people collect things that they like Toronto Dec 2012 #43

Lots of reasons. jeepnstein Dec 2012 #33

I personally don't see the term "gun nut" any more insulting that calling someone a "car nut" guardian Dec 2012 #42

Thanks for an honest open ear. Remmah2 Dec 2012 #34

Why would it be any of your business? slackmaster Dec 2012 #36

Perhaps because Toronto Dec 2012 #38

If you can't secure your own imaginary line in the sand... Callisto32 Dec 2012 #46

I think it's really something else slackmaster Dec 2012 #50

Meh, a tempest in a teapot. Callisto32 Dec 2012 #44

Your fellow posters Toronto Dec 2012 #49

Whoops - the trolls have come out from under their bridge Toronto Dec 2012 #55

A pity, but this was an excellent thread. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #59

I agree Toronto Dec 2012 #61

I own a few. I teach gun safety, and basic shooting. oneshooter Dec 2012 #58

variety... Deep13 Dec 2012 #76

If you were writing the legislation, Toronto Dec 2012 #77

I've seen this one before slackmaster Dec 2012 #78

Less time to reload RoccoR5955 Dec 2012 #79

Wow discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2012 #80

I think it would be kind to say Toronto Dec 2012 #83

Would an honest answer entail RoccoR5955 Dec 2012 #84

So someone actually said Toronto Dec 2012 #85

I think this post may fall under the same rule as farts tortoise1956 Dec 2012 #86

What was actually said is, RoccoR5955 Dec 2012 #114

The poor fellow was Toronto Dec 2012 #121

Tell me about it. RoccoR5955 Dec 2012 #130

Cool Story, Bro'!� sylvi Dec 2012 #123

Variety is the spice of life... OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2012 #88

I would suggest that most people don't need more then a few. jmg257 Dec 2012 #95

why would a person need more than one watch or purse? echo216610 Dec 2012 #99

the need to hold two guns wilt the stilt Dec 2012 #106

people have Yosemite Sam Syndrome SummerSnow Dec 2012 #107

I own 2 handguns at the moment backwoodsbob Dec 2012 #108

The U.S. doesn't have a Dept. of Needs. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #132