Gun Control & RKBA

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37. The anti-gun people

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 11:29 AM

Dec 2012

posting on DU profess that they feel quite safe without a gun, yet the majority of pro-gun advocates indicate that they don't feel safe without a gun. Do all the anti-gun people live in safer cities or neighborhoods than the pro-gun people? Why the huge difference in perception? Are some places in the US so hostile that it is not a question of if some armed thug will break into your home, but a question of when? This does not sound like a very pleasant way to live. The anti-gun people theorize that it is the proliferation of guns that is the problem. The pro-gun people say it is crime that is the problem. Are the anti-guns all wrong and the pro-guns all right or are they both right?

The people responding to this OP would appear to be collectors of firearms. I understand the point of collecting things. Each to his own. None have expressed the view that they need their entire collection for self-defense purposes, but most have indicated that at least one or two of their guns is for self-defense, and some have indicated that they need different types for concealed carry purposes.

One thing that I have observed in this forum is that the anti-gun people and the pro-gun people are rarely willing to listen to each other, preferring to snipe and bicker endlessly. I don't see how that accomplishes anything.

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Why would anyone need several handguns? [View all] Toronto Dec 2012 OP

collectors perhaps? gejohnston Dec 2012 #1

That's the problem, this person didn't state that they were a collector. Toronto Dec 2012 #2

I think the average gun owner owns about 4 krispos42 Dec 2012 #5

depends on the poll you see gejohnston Dec 2012 #9

I agree with you Toronto Dec 2012 #22

Respectfully, the media is not "polarized." Most is stridently anti-gun. Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #45

OK. I stand corrected. Toronto Dec 2012 #67

It would be nice if MSM would check in with someone else other than the NRA. nt Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #82

well stated echo216610 Dec 2012 #100

I can see a couple of reasons. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #3

Several reasons. krispos42 Dec 2012 #4

To the last two posts, Toronto Dec 2012 #6

Though I was not one of the last two sarisataka Dec 2012 #11

ideally, gejohnston Dec 2012 #12

Should this type of gun safe or something meeting the same Toronto Dec 2012 #39

The discussion of security/legal liability was discussed yesterday in... Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #48

I advocate such measures. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #52

Yes. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #51

I don't do that. krispos42 Jan 2013 #134

To the gun owners only, Toronto Dec 2012 #7

The obvious answer... Clames Dec 2012 #15

So you don't believe Toronto Dec 2012 #40

Criminals breaking into peoples' homes and businesses... Clames Dec 2012 #57

Should there be a mandatory standard Toronto Dec 2012 #62

Only if you want to reduce the Right to the hands of the extremely rich. PavePusher Dec 2012 #102

Isn't that the same as saying Toronto Jan 2013 #131

The "driving standard" doesn't cost money. PavePusher Jan 2013 #136

I would say .... oldhippie Jan 2013 #133

Gun control: A theory, that people who disobey laws against murder, rape, etc. do care about gun law alpine44 Dec 2012 #24

So would you support any form of legislation Toronto Dec 2012 #41

There is no such safe. Glassunion Dec 2012 #54

OK. I understand what you're Toronto Dec 2012 #63

Absolutely. Glassunion Dec 2012 #69

USA vs Japan Botany Dec 2012 #104

post hoc ergo propter hoc gejohnston Dec 2012 #109

no it is the guns IPSO FACTO Botany Dec 2012 #110

actually no gejohnston Dec 2012 #111

I keep forgetting that Doug MacArthur and the Americans that helped write the post WW II Botany Dec 2012 #112

I was speaking of gun laws in general gejohnston Dec 2012 #113

Gun control groups have economists doing their research ..... Botany Dec 2012 #115

fault for what? gejohnston Dec 2012 #116

thanx for playing ..... pick up your lovely parting gifts on the way out Botany Dec 2012 #117

First and foremost, the criminals of course. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #53

+100 Starboard Tack Dec 2012 #91

How do you codify that responsibility or can you codify that responsibility? Toronto Dec 2012 #118

You probably don't... Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #119

Do you think that a national gun control campaign along the lines Toronto Dec 2012 #120

Depending on the content, yes, very possibly. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #122

I agree. But campaigns can evolve over time. Toronto Dec 2012 #124

The guy who breaks into my house... bobclark86 Dec 2012 #56

I'm gonna go with criminals for 200. ileus Dec 2012 #75

If someone has 10 handguns Jenoch Dec 2012 #8

My ex wife asked me that question one time ... spin Dec 2012 #10

Are there any gun control Toronto Dec 2012 #47

Yes tortoise1956 Dec 2012 #68

I have never understood pipoman Dec 2012 #101

Point taken tortoise1956 Jan 2013 #135

Yes. ... spin Dec 2012 #81

Would you support a federally mandated minimum Toronto Dec 2012 #87

I like your idea, but the ATF has no way of enforcing it gejohnston Dec 2012 #89

Not even if it was a modification of section 921(a)(34) of the Gun Control Act? Toronto Dec 2012 #93

it would still be a federal responsiblity gejohnston Dec 2012 #94

But if nothing in the GCA is enforceable Toronto Dec 2012 #96

the ATF oversees all manufactures, importers and dealers gejohnston Dec 2012 #97

I see, so insofar as it affects the stream of commerce Toronto Dec 2012 #98

That would depend on the level of gun security required. ... spin Dec 2012 #90

Different purposes sarisataka Dec 2012 #13

So what I infer thus far is that Toronto Dec 2012 #14

Ultimately it is... sarisataka Dec 2012 #18

hard question, gejohnston Dec 2012 #19

Why do women (and men) own dozens of pairs of shoes? alpine44 Dec 2012 #16

Why do women NEED a bazillion pairs of shoes? guardian Dec 2012 #17

So many people not only collect guns for recreational purposes, but collect them for self defense Toronto Dec 2012 #20

some have a clear and present threat gejohnston Dec 2012 #21

I totally get your reason for weapon ownership Toronto Dec 2012 #25

And what, in your opinion, is the real reason for gun crime? Clames Dec 2012 #28

The anti-gun people Toronto Dec 2012 #37

I doubt you have anything to back up that assertion... Clames Dec 2012 #60

I've lived in many parts of Toronto Toronto Dec 2012 #65

Differing worldviews Lurks Often Dec 2012 #64

I don't understand Toronto Dec 2012 #66

Lots of variables there... tortoise1956 Dec 2012 #70

Umm Lurks Often Dec 2012 #72

It is a matter of perception and choice more than fear sarisataka Dec 2012 #71

I can only speak for myself, but I can tell you that I live in a part of my city that has a SheilaT Dec 2012 #74

"There are a lot of very unsecured guns out there." PavePusher Dec 2012 #105

I can tell you that the reports I'm reading are not ones of SheilaT Dec 2012 #125

Absolutely. The average Toronto Dec 2012 #126

Because pro-gun are paranoid wimps? Spryguy Dec 2012 #127

Please don't put words in my mouth, Toronto Dec 2012 #128

Most gun crime in the U.S. is drug related. jeepnstein Dec 2012 #35

I bounce between Wyoming and Florida gejohnston Dec 2012 #73

You can delegate the need to carry a gun to the ones who answer your 911 call... alpine44 Dec 2012 #23

Nope bobclark86 Dec 2012 #92

It's the society we've always lived in and always will. PavePusher Dec 2012 #103

Just because I have a permit doesn't mean I carry at all times...still need it to carry some times iiibbb Dec 2012 #129

I guess we need to define "gun nut" & "collector". napi21 Dec 2012 #26

Different calibers. Different sizes. Concealement. Target. Open carry. geckosfeet Dec 2012 #27

maybe for the same reason I own so many computers hollysmom Dec 2012 #29

A .22 for target practice - ammo is much cheaper hack89 Dec 2012 #30

Does one have "need" before they can own? ileus Dec 2012 #31

Some people buy different guns just because they like them dizbukhapeter Dec 2012 #32

I understand that people collect things that they like Toronto Dec 2012 #43

Lots of reasons. jeepnstein Dec 2012 #33

I personally don't see the term "gun nut" any more insulting that calling someone a "car nut" guardian Dec 2012 #42

Thanks for an honest open ear. Remmah2 Dec 2012 #34

Why would it be any of your business? slackmaster Dec 2012 #36

Perhaps because Toronto Dec 2012 #38

If you can't secure your own imaginary line in the sand... Callisto32 Dec 2012 #46

I think it's really something else slackmaster Dec 2012 #50

Meh, a tempest in a teapot. Callisto32 Dec 2012 #44

Your fellow posters Toronto Dec 2012 #49

Whoops - the trolls have come out from under their bridge Toronto Dec 2012 #55

A pity, but this was an excellent thread. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #59

I agree Toronto Dec 2012 #61

I own a few. I teach gun safety, and basic shooting. oneshooter Dec 2012 #58

variety... Deep13 Dec 2012 #76

If you were writing the legislation, Toronto Dec 2012 #77

I've seen this one before slackmaster Dec 2012 #78

Less time to reload RoccoR5955 Dec 2012 #79

Wow discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2012 #80

I think it would be kind to say Toronto Dec 2012 #83

Would an honest answer entail RoccoR5955 Dec 2012 #84

So someone actually said Toronto Dec 2012 #85

I think this post may fall under the same rule as farts tortoise1956 Dec 2012 #86

What was actually said is, RoccoR5955 Dec 2012 #114

The poor fellow was Toronto Dec 2012 #121

Tell me about it. RoccoR5955 Dec 2012 #130

Cool Story, Bro'!� sylvi Dec 2012 #123

Variety is the spice of life... OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2012 #88

I would suggest that most people don't need more then a few. jmg257 Dec 2012 #95

why would a person need more than one watch or purse? echo216610 Dec 2012 #99

the need to hold two guns wilt the stilt Dec 2012 #106

people have Yosemite Sam Syndrome SummerSnow Dec 2012 #107

I own 2 handguns at the moment backwoodsbob Dec 2012 #108

The U.S. doesn't have a Dept. of Needs. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #132