Gun Control & RKBA

gejohnston

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89. I like your idea, but the ATF has no way of enforcing it

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 09:32 PM

Dec 2012

Our federal system is probably more complex than yours. AFAIK, state and local cops have no responsibility to enforce federal law. For example, in the states that recently legalized pot, local police can't arrest you even though there is still a federal prohibition. They can give DEA your address, but that's it. There would have to be corresponding state law. For example, if you are target shooting on your farm with a machine gun in Florida, a local cop wants to see the registration and tax stamp. Legally, you could tell him to screw off and you both wait for the ATF. A local cop in Wyoming would have jurisdiction because they have a law that says violating NFA is also a state crime. Of course if you get caught with it in "any game field or forest" it becomes property of the state and you go to jail tax stamp or not.

Best thing is for each state to pass one.

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Why would anyone need several handguns? [View all] Toronto Dec 2012 OP

collectors perhaps? gejohnston Dec 2012 #1

That's the problem, this person didn't state that they were a collector. Toronto Dec 2012 #2

I think the average gun owner owns about 4 krispos42 Dec 2012 #5

depends on the poll you see gejohnston Dec 2012 #9

I agree with you Toronto Dec 2012 #22

Respectfully, the media is not "polarized." Most is stridently anti-gun. Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #45

OK. I stand corrected. Toronto Dec 2012 #67

It would be nice if MSM would check in with someone else other than the NRA. nt Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #82

well stated echo216610 Dec 2012 #100

I can see a couple of reasons. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #3

Several reasons. krispos42 Dec 2012 #4

To the last two posts, Toronto Dec 2012 #6

Though I was not one of the last two sarisataka Dec 2012 #11

ideally, gejohnston Dec 2012 #12

Should this type of gun safe or something meeting the same Toronto Dec 2012 #39

The discussion of security/legal liability was discussed yesterday in... Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #48

I advocate such measures. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #52

Yes. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #51

I don't do that. krispos42 Jan 2013 #134

To the gun owners only, Toronto Dec 2012 #7

The obvious answer... Clames Dec 2012 #15

So you don't believe Toronto Dec 2012 #40

Criminals breaking into peoples' homes and businesses... Clames Dec 2012 #57

Should there be a mandatory standard Toronto Dec 2012 #62

Only if you want to reduce the Right to the hands of the extremely rich. PavePusher Dec 2012 #102

Isn't that the same as saying Toronto Jan 2013 #131

The "driving standard" doesn't cost money. PavePusher Jan 2013 #136

I would say .... oldhippie Jan 2013 #133

Gun control: A theory, that people who disobey laws against murder, rape, etc. do care about gun law alpine44 Dec 2012 #24

So would you support any form of legislation Toronto Dec 2012 #41

There is no such safe. Glassunion Dec 2012 #54

OK. I understand what you're Toronto Dec 2012 #63

Absolutely. Glassunion Dec 2012 #69

USA vs Japan Botany Dec 2012 #104

post hoc ergo propter hoc gejohnston Dec 2012 #109

no it is the guns IPSO FACTO Botany Dec 2012 #110

actually no gejohnston Dec 2012 #111

I keep forgetting that Doug MacArthur and the Americans that helped write the post WW II Botany Dec 2012 #112

I was speaking of gun laws in general gejohnston Dec 2012 #113

Gun control groups have economists doing their research ..... Botany Dec 2012 #115

fault for what? gejohnston Dec 2012 #116

thanx for playing ..... pick up your lovely parting gifts on the way out Botany Dec 2012 #117

First and foremost, the criminals of course. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #53

+100 Starboard Tack Dec 2012 #91

How do you codify that responsibility or can you codify that responsibility? Toronto Dec 2012 #118

You probably don't... Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #119

Do you think that a national gun control campaign along the lines Toronto Dec 2012 #120

Depending on the content, yes, very possibly. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #122

I agree. But campaigns can evolve over time. Toronto Dec 2012 #124

The guy who breaks into my house... bobclark86 Dec 2012 #56

I'm gonna go with criminals for 200. ileus Dec 2012 #75

If someone has 10 handguns Jenoch Dec 2012 #8

My ex wife asked me that question one time ... spin Dec 2012 #10

Are there any gun control Toronto Dec 2012 #47

Yes tortoise1956 Dec 2012 #68

I have never understood pipoman Dec 2012 #101

Point taken tortoise1956 Jan 2013 #135

Yes. ... spin Dec 2012 #81

Would you support a federally mandated minimum Toronto Dec 2012 #87

I like your idea, but the ATF has no way of enforcing it gejohnston Dec 2012 #89

Not even if it was a modification of section 921(a)(34) of the Gun Control Act? Toronto Dec 2012 #93

it would still be a federal responsiblity gejohnston Dec 2012 #94

But if nothing in the GCA is enforceable Toronto Dec 2012 #96

the ATF oversees all manufactures, importers and dealers gejohnston Dec 2012 #97

I see, so insofar as it affects the stream of commerce Toronto Dec 2012 #98

That would depend on the level of gun security required. ... spin Dec 2012 #90

Different purposes sarisataka Dec 2012 #13

So what I infer thus far is that Toronto Dec 2012 #14

Ultimately it is... sarisataka Dec 2012 #18

hard question, gejohnston Dec 2012 #19

Why do women (and men) own dozens of pairs of shoes? alpine44 Dec 2012 #16

Why do women NEED a bazillion pairs of shoes? guardian Dec 2012 #17

So many people not only collect guns for recreational purposes, but collect them for self defense Toronto Dec 2012 #20

some have a clear and present threat gejohnston Dec 2012 #21

I totally get your reason for weapon ownership Toronto Dec 2012 #25

And what, in your opinion, is the real reason for gun crime? Clames Dec 2012 #28

The anti-gun people Toronto Dec 2012 #37

I doubt you have anything to back up that assertion... Clames Dec 2012 #60

I've lived in many parts of Toronto Toronto Dec 2012 #65

Differing worldviews Lurks Often Dec 2012 #64

I don't understand Toronto Dec 2012 #66

Lots of variables there... tortoise1956 Dec 2012 #70

Umm Lurks Often Dec 2012 #72

It is a matter of perception and choice more than fear sarisataka Dec 2012 #71

I can only speak for myself, but I can tell you that I live in a part of my city that has a SheilaT Dec 2012 #74

"There are a lot of very unsecured guns out there." PavePusher Dec 2012 #105

I can tell you that the reports I'm reading are not ones of SheilaT Dec 2012 #125

Absolutely. The average Toronto Dec 2012 #126

Because pro-gun are paranoid wimps? Spryguy Dec 2012 #127

Please don't put words in my mouth, Toronto Dec 2012 #128

Most gun crime in the U.S. is drug related. jeepnstein Dec 2012 #35

I bounce between Wyoming and Florida gejohnston Dec 2012 #73

You can delegate the need to carry a gun to the ones who answer your 911 call... alpine44 Dec 2012 #23

Nope bobclark86 Dec 2012 #92

It's the society we've always lived in and always will. PavePusher Dec 2012 #103

Just because I have a permit doesn't mean I carry at all times...still need it to carry some times iiibbb Dec 2012 #129

I guess we need to define "gun nut" & "collector". napi21 Dec 2012 #26

Different calibers. Different sizes. Concealement. Target. Open carry. geckosfeet Dec 2012 #27

maybe for the same reason I own so many computers hollysmom Dec 2012 #29

A .22 for target practice - ammo is much cheaper hack89 Dec 2012 #30

Does one have "need" before they can own? ileus Dec 2012 #31

Some people buy different guns just because they like them dizbukhapeter Dec 2012 #32

I understand that people collect things that they like Toronto Dec 2012 #43

Lots of reasons. jeepnstein Dec 2012 #33

I personally don't see the term "gun nut" any more insulting that calling someone a "car nut" guardian Dec 2012 #42

Thanks for an honest open ear. Remmah2 Dec 2012 #34

Why would it be any of your business? slackmaster Dec 2012 #36

Perhaps because Toronto Dec 2012 #38

If you can't secure your own imaginary line in the sand... Callisto32 Dec 2012 #46

I think it's really something else slackmaster Dec 2012 #50

Meh, a tempest in a teapot. Callisto32 Dec 2012 #44

Your fellow posters Toronto Dec 2012 #49

Whoops - the trolls have come out from under their bridge Toronto Dec 2012 #55

A pity, but this was an excellent thread. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #59

I agree Toronto Dec 2012 #61

I own a few. I teach gun safety, and basic shooting. oneshooter Dec 2012 #58

variety... Deep13 Dec 2012 #76

If you were writing the legislation, Toronto Dec 2012 #77

I've seen this one before slackmaster Dec 2012 #78

Less time to reload RoccoR5955 Dec 2012 #79

Wow discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2012 #80

I think it would be kind to say Toronto Dec 2012 #83

Would an honest answer entail RoccoR5955 Dec 2012 #84

So someone actually said Toronto Dec 2012 #85

I think this post may fall under the same rule as farts tortoise1956 Dec 2012 #86

What was actually said is, RoccoR5955 Dec 2012 #114

The poor fellow was Toronto Dec 2012 #121

Tell me about it. RoccoR5955 Dec 2012 #130

Cool Story, Bro'!� sylvi Dec 2012 #123

Variety is the spice of life... OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2012 #88

I would suggest that most people don't need more then a few. jmg257 Dec 2012 #95

why would a person need more than one watch or purse? echo216610 Dec 2012 #99

the need to hold two guns wilt the stilt Dec 2012 #106

people have Yosemite Sam Syndrome SummerSnow Dec 2012 #107

I own 2 handguns at the moment backwoodsbob Dec 2012 #108

The U.S. doesn't have a Dept. of Needs. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #132