Gun Control & RKBA

upaloopa

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158. "gun culture" that you abhor so much

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 12:18 AM

Jan 2013

I don't abhor the gun culture, I am at a loss to explain the attachment to guns in spite of events like the shooting in CT.

New Poll Shows Surge in Support for Gun Control
Saturday, 29 December 2012 10:27 By Matt Pearce, Los Angeles Times | Report

Public support for stricter gun laws has leaped to its highest point in eight years with 58% now in favor, according to a USA Today/Gallup poll released Thursday. That's a 14-point jump from last year.

Of those surveyed, 92% of Americans want background checks for buyers at gun shows and 62% want to ban magazines that carry more than 10 rounds, which have played a frequent role in mass shootings.

But Americans still oppose a full ban on semi-automatic assault rifles 51% to 44%, and opposition to a full handgun ban is higher than it has ever been, at 74%.

The poll was conducted with 1,038 respondents by phone over Dec. 19-22, with a 4% margin of error.

http://truth-out.org/news/item/13608-new-poll-shows-surge-in-support-for-gun-control

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If the Democrats pass and Obama signs a new AWB would you still support Dems? [View all] morningfog Dec 2012 OP

Hell yes! Ban personal possession of the goddamned assault weapons. Buzz Clik Dec 2012 #1

What he said.....in spades. shraby Dec 2012 #5

+1,000,000,000!! lastlib Jan 2013 #203

Of course. Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #2

I'm not a single issue voter. discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2012 #3

All the Dems I've voted for are pro-gun, so I don't have to worry about it. LAGC Dec 2012 #4

+1 Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2012 #110

Huh? Am I missing something in your post? Dawgs Dec 2012 #6

There are plenty here on DU who don't. I agree with you, though. morningfog Dec 2012 #7

USA Today did a poll that said most don't gejohnston Dec 2012 #10

Please define "assault weapon". n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2012 #12

Easy. One weapon that can kill many people in a very short period of time. Dawgs Dec 2012 #20

Since those weapons... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2012 #24

Obviously "no citizens" is everyone but the military - not necessarily the police. Dawgs Dec 2012 #43

Please define... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2012 #46

The military has always been different than citizens. You look it up if you don't believe me. n/t Dawgs Dec 2012 #76

How should I phrase this? discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2012 #84

try this: how can one be in the military and NOT be a citizen? Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2012 #111

You could have a... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2012 #135

I look at England... and patrol officers don't carry guns. iiibbb Dec 2012 #62

Okay. Dawgs Dec 2012 #75

I get the feeling that no reason would be good enough for you. iiibbb Dec 2012 #61

Yep. But you're wrong that there are MANY things. Dawgs Dec 2012 #65

I feel like having conversations with people who bother to educate themselves about definitions. iiibbb Dec 2012 #91

LOL! So, instead of giving me a reason, you pretend that I don't know what I'm talking about. Dawgs Dec 2012 #92

I have reasons... and the debate is woth having... just not with you. iiibbb Dec 2012 #93

Nope. I'm the winner, and you're the fool. Dawgs Dec 2012 #95

Todd Akin probably thought he won the rape debates... "women's bodies shut that thing down" iiibbb Dec 2012 #96

Ooh! You got me. Dawgs Dec 2012 #97

What's the point of discussing something with someone who doesn't think definitions matter? iiibbb Dec 2012 #100

You should probably... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2012 #98

I have a good argument for it ..... oldhippie Dec 2012 #104

The internet is for porn iiibbb Dec 2012 #124

Sorry, but you didn'y "win" anything, unless it was the "most ignorant reply so far" award Ghost in the Machine Jan 2013 #165

I'll give you a point ..... oldhippie Dec 2012 #103

Why should I support a revocation of a Constitutional Right? jeepnstein Dec 2012 #13

Agreed~! aptal Jan 2013 #155

define "assault weapon" --- last time they did it was a big fat fail iiibbb Dec 2012 #16

Why not include getting rid of guns that can kill 30 people in less than a minute? Dawgs Dec 2012 #21

they should do the same with sports cars gejohnston Dec 2012 #22

That's idiotic. Dawgs Dec 2012 #26

not at all gejohnston Dec 2012 #30

Holy shit. You're actually trying to defend your initial response. Dawgs Dec 2012 #40

obviously you don't know gejohnston Dec 2012 #45

You're still trying? Wow!! Dawgs Dec 2012 #73

it isn't legal to walk around drunk in any state gejohnston Dec 2012 #78

Huh? It is illegal to "walk around" drunk in every state? Dawgs Dec 2012 #80

where? gejohnston Dec 2012 #85

Amazing how I not one person will explain why they "need" an assault weapon (my definition of one). Dawgs Dec 2012 #94

Your definition is unworkable iiibbb Dec 2012 #106

Because laws are about definitions iiibbb Dec 2012 #25

Fuck it. Let's not even try. Dawgs Dec 2012 #28

People like you always end conversations with "people like you" iiibbb Dec 2012 #36

See post #28. n/t Dawgs Dec 2012 #42

You say I say fuck it", but you essentally tell us "fuck you"... and the stalemate continues. iiibbb Dec 2012 #51

The passing of laws... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2012 #44

If there were a practical law, that would end some of these nightmare shootings... iiibbb Dec 2012 #50

re: "... practical or enforceable..." discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2012 #69

your comment is bordering on racism:"people like you". Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2012 #112

Bigotted; Gun owners are not a "race" whether (s)he thinks we're knuckle dragging Neadertals or not iiibbb Dec 2012 #119

yes, correct and therefore DOWNRIGHT BIGOTED STATEMENT/ no borders to that comment and it would Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2012 #120

But.. aptal Jan 2013 #156

Considering the repukes are the majority in the House hack89 Dec 2012 #8

Of course, especially so if the ban has real teeth. Scuba Dec 2012 #9

I may be against the ban Diane Feinstein has proposed as too vague and intrusive... bobclark86 Dec 2012 #11

+1 n/t Ashgrey77 Dec 2012 #88

+1 :) n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2012 #89

I'd hold my nose and vote "D". Again. JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2012 #14

I'm a bit over the barrel. iiibbb Dec 2012 #15

Of course I will. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #17

I'd support different Dems, I suppose krispos42 Dec 2012 #18

Bingo Pullo Dec 2012 #23

4 million NRA members many of which approve of reasonable gun laws among 250 million voters. julian09 Dec 2012 #32

define reasonable gejohnston Dec 2012 #48

The proposed Feinstein ban is anything BUT "reasonable" n/t Pullo Dec 2012 #131

This +1 rl6214 Dec 2012 #146

Of course I will. rrneck Dec 2012 #19

This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Dec 2012 #27

Of course but that doesnt go far enough bowens43 Dec 2012 #29

Please see #34 Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #35

When pigs fly. blue burro Jan 2013 #214

Not stopping there. Darque Wing Dec 2012 #31

If you ever get "influential" don't ever publicly endorse a good Democrat. Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #34

Really? Darque Wing Dec 2012 #37

it won't save lives gejohnston Dec 2012 #41

More right-wing idiocy. Darque Wing Dec 2012 #49

here is the thing gejohnston Dec 2012 #56

The Kleck study? Darque Wing Dec 2012 #58

two things gejohnston Dec 2012 #67

Debunked. Thoroughly. Darque Wing Dec 2012 #70

prove it gejohnston Dec 2012 #72

One-sided Darque Wing Dec 2012 #74

given that the FSU was peer reviewed and given an award from his professional society gejohnston Dec 2012 #77

Wow, that sure is a lot of effort to support a faulty argument from authority. Darque Wing Dec 2012 #82

I did gejohnston Dec 2012 #87

Statistics is not voodoo. Darque Wing Dec 2012 #109

welcome to DU. Enjoy your stay - Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2012 #115

*cough*, *cough*...seagull poster..., *ahem* friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #162

Fine. My mistake. Darque Wing Jan 2013 #169

are you serious? gejohnston Dec 2012 #118

Florida State is a joke among criminologists? Yeah, about that.... friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #161

Who's sock puppet are you? rl6214 Dec 2012 #147

Why do you think I'm a sock puppet? Darque Wing Jan 2013 #168

Do you *really* think "I'm like the only person in the world suggesting a full ban... friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #185

So first... Darque Wing Jan 2013 #186

You are also demonstrably careless- I'm not the one insinuating you're a sock puppet friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #188

Oh, jeez. Darque Wing Jan 2013 #191

You re bitching about word choice when you decided you had to be the word nazi rl6214 Jan 2013 #205

You opened the door. Darque Wing Jan 2013 #206

Also, Darque Wing Jan 2013 #192

I wonder why? Puha Ekapi Jan 2013 #196

Why? Darque Wing Jan 2013 #207

I can see how you think of "this place"...as a "cesspool" rl6214 Jan 2013 #215

Sorry, bud, that doesn't fly. Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #200

Really? Darque Wing Jan 2013 #208

Yes. Really. Go ahead and try repeal. Recruit, fund raise, form action committees, Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #210

Ally? Darque Wing Jan 2013 #212

Perhaps that "rigidity" is closer to home. Most Americans support the Second... Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #213

is there such a thing as a first world country? gejohnston Dec 2012 #39

More empty right-wing talking points. Darque Wing Dec 2012 #47

I have been in those countries too gejohnston Dec 2012 #52

So you'd rather have corpses than living victims. Darque Wing Dec 2012 #57

you obviously did not comprehend what I said gejohnston Dec 2012 #59

NRA apologist Darque Wing Dec 2012 #68

I don't even belong to the NRA gejohnston Dec 2012 #71

AAAANNNND bobclark86 Dec 2012 #136

What argument? Darque Wing Jan 2013 #170

The only part I agree with is that it would take a change to the 2nd amendment iiibbb Dec 2012 #54

I'm not trying to get away with anything. Darque Wing Dec 2012 #64

According to... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2012 #55

Yeah, I've taken Constitutional Law, thank you. Darque Wing Dec 2012 #66

Tell me... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2012 #81

Tell me... Darque Wing Dec 2012 #83

Asked and answered... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2012 #86

Not set in stone. Darque Wing Dec 2012 #107

I'm out at moment... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2012 #114

"...the Constitution can be amended." discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2012 #132

Right. So let's not try. Darque Wing Jan 2013 #172

regarding... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2013 #173

What does it matter? Darque Wing Jan 2013 #174

I'm sorry you feel that way... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2013 #175

You think this is compromise? Darque Wing Jan 2013 #177

You bring up a good point... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2013 #184

The one thing they're right about Darque Wing Jan 2013 #189

One thing that you and I are right about... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2013 #195

Oh, don't get me wrong... Darque Wing Jan 2013 #209

Sorry that your experience has been negative. discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2013 #211

Glad to hear that you've taken Constitutional Law, and know about Article V. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #149

Once again, naked condescension without a point. Darque Wing Jan 2013 #171

Have and will again. They'll need all the help they can get for being stupid. Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #33

Of course sarisataka Dec 2012 #38

1) Yes. 2) Still yes. 3) Yes. 4) I don't have a "line in the sand" on this single topic petronius Dec 2012 #53

Yes of course I would vote Dem. The gun lobby is a paper tiger. upaloopa Dec 2012 #60

voters aren't iiibbb Dec 2012 #101

Gun voters all ready vote repug if we lose some upaloopa Dec 2012 #102

"... if we lose some some Dems it is worth it." oldhippie Dec 2012 #105

We won't lose. There aren't enough of you and the majority upaloopa Dec 2012 #116

Enjoy... brindleboxer Dec 2012 #108

You so over estimate yourselves. upaloopa Dec 2012 #117

In case you haven't been paying attention... brindleboxer Dec 2012 #121

"gun culture" that you abhor so much upaloopa Jan 2013 #158

yes reverend_tim Dec 2012 #63

Yes. You should make this a poll. Kaleva Dec 2012 #79

Unfortunately... brindleboxer Dec 2012 #90

a more interesting question, but less probable would be gejohnston Dec 2012 #99

It's Lugar, and he got the boot for not being batshit insane enough for the teabaggers. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #151

my typo gejohnston Jan 2013 #153

I thought you had put this group on Ignore. Why the change? I notice you have not replied to anyone Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2012 #113

I really hope it does not get.... Puha Ekapi Dec 2012 #122

Hopefully our party won't bite on bans after years of 2A progress. ileus Dec 2012 #123

The problem we're facing... brindleboxer Dec 2012 #125

The right is no different... iiibbb Dec 2012 #144

You damn right I would madokie Dec 2012 #126

I've never owned or seen the need to own a gun! Pyrzqxgl Dec 2012 #127

all of the hunters I know, and was taught as a kid by hunters gejohnston Dec 2012 #129

Absolutely. Arctic Dave Dec 2012 #128

I think we all agree with gun safety legistlation gejohnston Dec 2012 #130

And you say you don't like "buzzwords". Arctic Dave Dec 2012 #133

you didn't, we seem to have different definitions gejohnston Dec 2012 #134

Well then, I would say I am for both. Arctic Dave Dec 2012 #137

With all due respect... iiibbb Dec 2012 #141

I demand... brindleboxer Dec 2012 #142

OMG the gun nut version of a internet "grammar nazi". Arctic Dave Jan 2013 #180

There is a difference between 1911 metalurgy and you still not getting the term "magazine" correct. iiibbb Jan 2013 #181

Point proven. Arctic Dave Jan 2013 #190

Well there is this................ oneshooter Jan 2013 #193

LOL, another one. Arctic Dave Jan 2013 #197

Not every Democrat is a good person, as you might have noticed with this one blue burro Dec 2012 #138

A campaign guide called "Deer hunting with Jesus"! Kaleva Dec 2012 #139

Loved this... brindleboxer Dec 2012 #140

You do realize it didn't actually ban possession of either guns or magazines? Kennah Dec 2012 #143

I will not support any politician who advocates for restrictions on my 2nd Amendment rights. Llewlladdwr Dec 2012 #145

Just take gun control off the party platform. DemDealer Dec 2012 #148

But then... brindleboxer Jan 2013 #150

By solving actual problems that the government is neglecting, DemDealer Jan 2013 #152

As long as it doesn't affect anything other than semi-autos and doc03 Jan 2013 #154

As it is currently proposed... brindleboxer Jan 2013 #157

I just can't imagine any kind of gun control getting through the House n/t doc03 Jan 2013 #159

Me either... brindleboxer Jan 2013 #160

+1 You are probably right we will get labeled gun grabbers doc03 Jan 2013 #163

I think we would gain more votes gejohnston Jan 2013 #164

I know what an assault rifle is and what the government doc03 Jan 2013 #166

I don't gejohnston Jan 2013 #167

So my m92 Winchesters become "assault weapons"? oneshooter Jan 2013 #178

I said semiautos with more than 6 rounds period. doc03 Jan 2013 #182

You also said................ oneshooter Jan 2013 #194

Do you really need a thirty round magazine in a lever action doc03 Jan 2013 #198

who said anythig about thirty rounds? gejohnston Jan 2013 #199

Your lack of knowledge is showing. oneshooter Jan 2013 #204

Thank you for your concern. aquart Jan 2013 #176

Would I be charged with assisting suicide? nt HooptieWagon Jan 2013 #179

Yes. But only because the alternative is wrong on so many more issues. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #183

Not One Born just us Jan 2013 #187

In a f***ing second Not Me Jan 2013 #201

Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2013 #202