Gun Control & RKBA

democrat in Tallahassee

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3. There are alternatives to guns, you know

Reply to AnotherMcIntosh (Original post)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 12:47 PM

Jan 2013

Ever heard of a home security system. You can some fairly cheaply now and they don't go off accidentally and kill people.

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Can those who recognize that firearms may be needed for home defense be legitimately called gun nuts [View all] AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 OP

No but I highly doubt you are going to have to face down 30 doc03 Jan 2013 #1

I hunt - there are feral dogs iiibbb Jan 2013 #17

You mean a 9MM handgun? I would rather have a shotgun or a rifle doc03 Jan 2013 #19

Cost LibertarianMI Jan 2013 #22

A reasonable situation offered... and rejected. iiibbb Jan 2013 #24

Who said you can't have a 9mm? Get it registered that's all. Don't call me doc03 Jan 2013 #69

I have a concealed carry permit... I am registered and vetted by the state. iiibbb Jan 2013 #94

Where do you live where it is illegal to hunt with a semi-auto? Jenoch Jan 2013 #106

So you're a 45 guy huh? Rocks are faster and more effective than a 124gr 9mm? ileus Jan 2013 #34

It is also amusing that a gun grabber is sinking into the classic 9mm is a wuss round debate. iiibbb Jan 2013 #37

I'd like to think that firearms aren't necessary for protection madokie Jan 2013 #2

I find your view refreshing as in recent days here on DU ... spin Jan 2013 #18

x2 AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #35

There are alternatives to guns, you know democrat in Tallahassee Jan 2013 #3

How is a home security system Jenoch Jan 2013 #4

A home alarm system can wake you up and allow to to get your firearm. ... spin Jan 2013 #27

You're in Florida... you know that Huricanes can knock out power for weeks.... right? iiibbb Jan 2013 #44

The very best protection is run and hide. Speck Tater Jan 2013 #5

Not that I am taking a side vs gun or no gun, but R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2013 #6

You're right. Speck Tater Jan 2013 #7

making a harder target is step two gejohnston Jan 2013 #10

Good point. Speck Tater Jan 2013 #16

Run and hide? LibertarianMI Jan 2013 #23

If you're at risk, you didn't hide very well. Speck Tater Jan 2013 #81

How many hardened safe rooms for not-wealthy citizens are you willing to finance? blue burro Jan 2013 #111

What hardened safe room? Speck Tater Jan 2013 #112

That is the best tactic but I will make two suggestions . ... spin Jan 2013 #38

I do like your suggestions. Speck Tater Jan 2013 #82

Hide and hope not to die isn't a plan of protection. ileus Jan 2013 #41

Good points. Speck Tater Jan 2013 #84

Run and hide works for me... I avoid conflict first.... but the gun is for conflicts that follow me. iiibbb Jan 2013 #46

Makes sense Speck Tater Jan 2013 #85

There is no one size fits all prescription iiibbb Jan 2013 #99

My first choice would be to live in a world where shit never happens. Speck Tater Jan 2013 #109

In some of those stories, the home invasion was perpetrated to steal guns. Loudly Jan 2013 #8

if the goal was to steal guns, gejohnston Jan 2013 #9

OK so they were there to steal anything of value. Loudly Jan 2013 #11

I only know what the various criminologists say gejohnston Jan 2013 #12

You say that you don't understand how any of this discussion is related to the Second Amendment? AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #14

That's an opinion, but that's not what the 2nd amendment says. DrewFlorida Jan 2013 #20

Right, I often compare Heller to Plessey v. Ferguson. Loudly Jan 2013 #28

I fail to see how the two are alike gejohnston Jan 2013 #30

I see Heller in exactly the opposite way. Loudly Jan 2013 #33

SharesUnited? Are you still here? Straw Man Jan 2013 #92

Please pipoman Jan 2013 #90

If they are breaking in to steal guns sarisataka Jan 2013 #26

You just pointed out how foolish it is for the media to publish the names of gun owners. (n/t) spin Jan 2013 #42

But then I get to mock. Loudly Jan 2013 #45

Which is like saying that having your name in a phone book ... spin Jan 2013 #48

Did you even bother to read any of these stories? DrewFlorida Jan 2013 #13

All the headlines and links are related to the lead sentence: AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #15

#5 backwoodsbob Jan 2013 #21

Yes Swamplizard, I do agree with your statement! DrewFlorida Jan 2013 #56

OK. Let's be a bit more specific. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #25

You left out the George Zimmerman incident! DrewFlorida Jan 2013 #31

Wow! I missed the part of that story where there was a home invasion, tell us more? DonP Jan 2013 #39

Z wasn't in his home or business. N/T GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #47

Zimmerman was a self proclaimed neighborhood watch capt. DrewFlorida Jan 2013 #63

actually none of that is true gejohnston Jan 2013 #65

What does that have to do with home invasions? N/T GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #75

All good examples. The link that you provided, of course, leads to many more. AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #40

I agree, there are times when having a gun for self defense is the right choice. DrewFlorida Jan 2013 #59

"Let's not pervert the issue with foolish terms like gun-nuts" - why the fuck not? Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #55

The word Gun-nut has no specific meaning nor rational criteria, let's use more specific terminology DrewFlorida Jan 2013 #62

since guns are regulated gejohnston Jan 2013 #64

Demonstrably false, actually.. pipoman Jan 2013 #91

You're not from around here are you....don't you know guns kill people? ileus Jan 2013 #29

home invasion, home invasion! mike_c Jan 2013 #32

Cat commandos.. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #36

Don't underestimate the value of deterrence Cynicus Emeritus Jan 2013 #43

Welcome to DU. Good post. (n/t) spin Jan 2013 #49

x2 n/t AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #50

I understand and support those who want guns for home defense. The gun nuts are .... Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #51

Maybe there are some who "refuse to be part of the solution" because they see name-calling and AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #52

Being part of the solution has nothing to do with what happens at this cesspool. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #53

first we all have to agree what an assault weapon is gejohnston Jan 2013 #54

If you want to go all technical I'll make it simple. Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #57

under CT and NJ law, gejohnston Jan 2013 #60

so you would call my Grandfathers M92 Winchester a "assault rifle"? oneshooter Jan 2013 #61

It could have been called as "assault rifle" by these individuals: AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #66

No, if you want to nit pick I'll just go for a much more complete ban. Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #71

Until now, the M-1 Garand has never been included within a statutory definition of "assault weapon" AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #58

Other countries have managed to allow people who really are competitive shooters Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #72

their laws are not as strict as DiFi's bill either. gejohnston Jan 2013 #74

When only the elites* have a right to be armed (and they will) with whatever their private security Cynicus Emeritus Jan 2013 #67

Those who beat their swords into plowshares blue burro Jan 2013 #68

As a long time progressive Cynicus Emeritus Jan 2013 #70

Oh I think a ban on semi auto weapons would have to cover all civilian use Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #73

cops going back to revolvers? gejohnston Jan 2013 #76

Except you and I both know Feinstein and Bloomberg and other millionaires Cynicus Emeritus Jan 2013 #79

A potential "apology from the overly emotional but non critical thinking anti-gun nuts"? AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #80

All for ME none for THEE 4Q2u2 Jan 2013 #108

Yes bowens43 Jan 2013 #77

No, because the only reason they are necessary... TheMadMonk Jan 2013 #78

You say, "The rest of the civilised world manages perfectly well." Switzerland. AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #83

They also have some fairly draconian laws, regarding... TheMadMonk Jan 2013 #88

have to ask a Swiss lawyer that one gejohnston Jan 2013 #89

Common law. Just like the civilised world has. TheMadMonk Jan 2013 #95

define civilized gejohnston Jan 2013 #96

Firearms are a legitimate option for home defense. Starboard Tack Jan 2013 #86

what's the difference between a six round revolver gejohnston Jan 2013 #87

OK, I'll play. Straw Man Jan 2013 #93

Reloading. Starboard Tack Jan 2013 #97

would you ban speed loaders? gejohnston Jan 2013 #98

Probably. Starboard Tack Jan 2013 #100

No you wouldn't. (1) You're not the President, a Governor, or anyone else in a position of authority AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #101

You don't actually know that, but I was implying the subjunctive. Starboard Tack Jan 2013 #104

there is no legitimate public safety arguement to ban them gejohnston Jan 2013 #102

So why did you ask the question? Starboard Tack Jan 2013 #105

appeal to emotion and bloody shirt waving gejohnston Jan 2013 #107

I'm a great fan of Samuel Johnson Starboard Tack Jan 2013 #110

Nah iiibbb Jan 2013 #103