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jimmy the one

(2,708 posts)
29. m1 carbine
Thu Jan 3, 2013, 02:22 PM
Jan 2013

MacIntosh: At least part of what you say has a scientific basis. What is your source for saying that
"In wwII american gis complained about the m1 carbine, that it sometimes took 3 body hits to bring down a japanese enemy. (the garand m1 was better of course)."


I was working from memory, came across it years back when I was interested in the m1 garand, which pops either brought back from wwII south pacific (papua new guinea), or bought a replica here in states - we kids played with it as kids, demilled. Uncertainty arises since I've read that garands, & all army rifles, could not be taken home unless on certain circumstances, like an honor gift.

The first M1 carbines were delivered in mid-1942, with initial priority given to troops in the European Theater of Operations (ETO)
The M1 carbine with its reduced-power .30 cartridge was not originally intended to serve as a primary weapon for combat infantrymen, nor was it comparable to more powerful assault rifles developed late in the war. Nevertheless, the carbine was soon widely issued to infantry officers, American paratroopers, NCOs, ammunition bearers, forward artillery observers, and other frontline troops.
... In the Pacific theater, soldiers and guerrilla forces operating in heavy jungle with only occasional enemy contact praised the carbine for its small size, light weight, and firepower.
.. Other soldiers and marines engaged in frequent daily firefights (particularly those serving in the Philippines) found the weapon to have insufficient stopping power and penetration. Reports of the carbine's failure to stop enemy soldiers, sometimes after multiple hits, appeared in individual after-action reports, postwar evaluations, and service histories of both the Army and Marine..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_carbine

I've also read that it wasn't a true carbine of the garand, but an m1 carbine in name only, with significant differences, dunno what.



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m1 carbine jimmy the one Jan 2013 #29
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