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politicman

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26. If HRC is candidate, I'm staying home for sure

Sat Feb 28, 2015, 05:42 AM

Feb 2015

The way I see it is if the Democratic Party ends up nominating HRC as our nominee, then I can definitively say that I will stay home and not vote at all.

And if we end up losing the general election then the blame will rest solely on the shoulders of all those so-called 'progressives' who would have nominated Clinton.

And I pray there are many more likes out there.

If the Democratic Party wants to keep Repubs out of office, then give people like me a left candidate that I can vote for, not a centrist corporate shill.

We have done things the centrist way too many times in the apart and each time we keep giving more and more power to the 1%ers.

This time, give us a candidate that will fight for progressive values, or don't expect me to vote for a corporatist that you put up.

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Ms. Clinton [View all] steve2470 Feb 2015 OP

I do about some other things marym625 Feb 2015 #1

ok thanks steve2470 Feb 2015 #3

No! She never apologized for it. Fuck her racist ass. And fuck her husband and their supporters! Liberal_Stalwart71 Mar 2015 #97

I missed that Bobby Kennedy one, but I remember the rest of those, especially Ferraro. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 #128

Yes, I agree - as bad, or inartful, as that statement is by Hillary, there are far worse things she has said that are racially insensitive. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2015 #27

personally, I would prefer she doesn't become artful at hiding her racism. marym625 Feb 2015 #28

Yes ur right Mary in demanding honesty from Hillary. Just sayin she needs 2 step up her game 2 avoid showin her racially insensitive side 2 have any chance of becomin President... InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2015 #31

Well said marym625 Feb 2015 #33

Indeed, you have expressed the exact idea that has led me Jackpine Radical Mar 2015 #77

If progressives stood united, Hillary wud hear our collective "infinitesimal" voices loud & clear. Elizabeth again sets the example 4 all of us. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2015 #80

Not "racially insensitive". No such thing. She's a racist. Period. Liberal_Stalwart71 Mar 2015 #100

I would agree with you LS, in most cases, yes. Ive seen situations, however, in which, someone says something... InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2015 #104

These are very intelligent people. I would argue that both Bill and Hillary Clinton Liberal_Stalwart71 Mar 2015 #107

Here again, your makin a lot of sense and, as far as Bill's racist attitudes are concerned, I completely agree. Perhaps, Hillary just hides it better InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2015 #109

Here again, your makin a lot of sense and, as far as Bill's racist attitudes are concerned, I completely agree. Perhaps, Hillary just hides it better... InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2015 #110

Add me to the whites who agree with everything you said. I considered her racist statements about Nay Apr 2015 #134

This message was self-deleted by its author InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2015 #32

NO!! Her comment was not "inartful". It was DELIBERATE!!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Mar 2015 #98

If Hillary never advocated for Civil Rights, women's rights, children's rights, better Thinkingabout Feb 2015 #2

if she never had, it would, yes steve2470 Feb 2015 #4

She fought for Civil Rights in her college days and her record shows she worked Thinkingabout Feb 2015 #5

thanks nt steve2470 Feb 2015 #6

I might get behind Hillary Rodham. marym625 Feb 2015 #29

Civil Rights for WHITE WOMEN! She could give a shit for blacks! Liberal_Stalwart71 Mar 2015 #99

Your rant about Hillary being a Goldwater girl, she was 16 at the time of the election in which Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #105

If you don't know who Barry Goldwater was and you are making excuses for Hillary Liberal_Stalwart71 Mar 2015 #106

I know who Goldwater was, the point I was making was she was 16 years old, I don't know if I had my Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #108

I don't give a shit how old she was. At 16, I was politically active. Of course, I lived Liberal_Stalwart71 Mar 2015 #115

Oh please! leftofcool Apr 2015 #127

Oh please! We are a demographic that counts! JustAnotherGen Apr 2015 #142

Again, no credibility, no moral standing. And guess what? Because of that we will have a Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2015 #149

In the AA group, you're going to talk about AAs being racist? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 #129

Rant about whatever you want, be truthful, she was 17 about two weeks before the election. Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #130

Erich is not 'rant' ing about anything JustAnotherGen Apr 2015 #141

Think you have the wrong person to reply, I am not the one posting about AA. Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #143

Post #105 JustAnotherGen Apr 2015 #144

I rather doubt Hillary is racists, she marched in favor of civil rights in her young days. Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #145

I didn't say she was JustAnotherGen Apr 2015 #146

I'm saying, point blank, Hillary Rodham Clinton is a racist! There! Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2015 #150

Are you threatening me or trying to scare me? Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #152

You take it as a threat, but I promise you that if you dare call me a racist, I'm TELLING you Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2015 #153

I can have any opinion I want, I am free to do this, don't stalk me. Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #154

You continue to respond to me and insinuate that I am a racist, not HRC! Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2015 #156

You called Liberal Stalwart a racist - at DU that is a hide able offense supported by admin JustAnotherGen Apr 2015 #167

Group Host Hat On JustAnotherGen Apr 2015 #166

They pulled the race baiting switch a couple times back then, and some did NOT randys1 Feb 2015 #7

yes I'll gladly vote for her versus any Republican steve2470 Feb 2015 #8

Indeed, she needs to have meetings with lots of groups, liberals 2nd to the top of the list randys1 Feb 2015 #9

Well, when a bunch of Clinton supporters get so pissed the black guy won that they go republican... Scootaloo Mar 2015 #57

What they saw in her is a non-black person. That's what they saw. Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2015 #151

I and many other persons of color will never forget Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2015 #137

I really do not have a problem with her statement ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #10

ok I'm glad you said that steve2470 Feb 2015 #11

Further, I think what happened was she was trying NOT to she what was in her head ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #13

yes steve2470 Feb 2015 #14

LOL. Mark my words ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #17

I like that Jim Webb said it JustAnotherGen Feb 2015 #52

For the first time, you and I do not agree. She was playing that racist Southern Strategy. Liberal_Stalwart71 Mar 2015 #101

I also had issues with the things her surrogates were doing. bravenak Feb 2015 #12

You're right ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #15

Glad I'm not the only one. bravenak Feb 2015 #16

Do I believe HRC is a racist? ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #18

I feel the same way. bravenak Feb 2015 #19

I'm 50+ years old ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #20

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks that. bravenak Feb 2015 #21

I paid her no attention in 2008 and didn't caucus for her. freshwest Mar 2015 #86

You're right. bravenak Mar 2015 #87

I lost a lot of 'friends' over their not voting for Obama. Their reasons were nonsensical. freshwest Mar 2015 #88

I miss him too. bravenak Mar 2015 #89

Am I wrong to say as I have, that it's all downhill from here? freshwest Mar 2015 #90

Nope. I see it too. bravenak Mar 2015 #91

Yeah, I love Van Jones. Vocal, intelligent, take-no-shit kind of guy. No wonder they Nay Apr 2015 #135

RWNJ media made such a stink for a few weeks the Administration was fielding their nutty questions freshwest Apr 2015 #136

I'm glad he still has his hand in. I really miss him. nt Nay Apr 2015 #140

I have a photo of Hillary holding my daughter in 2008. kwassa Feb 2015 #22

that's awesome :) nt steve2470 Feb 2015 #24

It doesn't bother me JustAnotherGen Feb 2015 #23

ok I'm glad to hear this! steve2470 Feb 2015 #25

If HRC is candidate, I'm staying home for sure politicman Feb 2015 #26

Who do you think isn't a corporate shill? Thinkingabout Feb 2015 #34

isnt your question an indictment on us if some people believe we cant even find a candidate not.. politicman Feb 2015 #35

Now to set the record straight. Warren has been very open about getting campaign contributions Thinkingabout Feb 2015 #36

... politicman Feb 2015 #38

The right message is important but separating Warren and Bernie from being a corporate shill is not Thinkingabout Feb 2015 #39

I disagree.. politicman Feb 2015 #40

When many in the 99% is making minimun wages there isnt any money left to donate. Thinkingabout Feb 2015 #41

why do you think many are making minimum wage? politicman Feb 2015 #42

Peehaps because I am making minumun wage, have lots of people arond me making the same and Thinkingabout Feb 2015 #43

Without sacrifice to change, things will only get worse in future politicman Feb 2015 #44

You know, there needs to be a reality check here. Now if I donate $200 out of Thinkingabout Feb 2015 #45

I agree.... politicman Feb 2015 #46

Don't believe the RW crap, even the RW crap posted here on DU. Thinkingabout Feb 2015 #47

BTW, I am not referring to percentages on donations, I am saying Thinkingabout Feb 2015 #48

so are you happy with continuing the dynamic we have at the moment then? politicman Feb 2015 #49

This is why I am backing Hillary, she has been in the 99% much of her life. Thinkingabout Feb 2015 #50

I believe different. politicman Feb 2015 #54

Yes, tell me again how this is going to happen, if you dont believe Warren and Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #59

Warren and Bernie at least have stood against the 1% with legislation politicman Mar 2015 #61

What, exactly, is the "legislation" you keep talking about & did it pass? Is it law? Tarheel_Dem Mar 2015 #64

ISIS Resolution Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #71

Yeah, but... Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 #132

If any asshole Republican gets near the White House JustAnotherGen Feb 2015 #51

it will be the fault of those that nominate a centrist if we lose politicman Feb 2015 #56

I disagree - you do realize there have been JustAnotherGen Mar 2015 #66

Never stay home. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 #131

Hillary's campaign also started the whole birther thing mwrguy Feb 2015 #30

I need to see some proof of this one, this is the first time I have ever heard this one. Thinkingabout Feb 2015 #37

There's truth in this JustAnotherGen Feb 2015 #53

What ticked me off about her personally were two things: freshwest Apr 2015 #124

Here you go: mwrguy Mar 2015 #62

Well, let's hope those people won't be associated with her new campaign. n/t Tarheel_Dem Mar 2015 #65

Or trolls trying to get rumors as this one going. There seems to be some Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #70

Bill Kristol and his allies are here, and they've been here all along. Ya Better Believe It! Tarheel_Dem Mar 2015 #73

Oh, yeah! freshwest Mar 2015 #83

I hope you will find the candidate you can support next year. n/t freshwest Mar 2015 #82

Read it again Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #69

That's right. She is a racist. Her, Bill, their surrogates. I don't understand why people Liberal_Stalwart71 Mar 2015 #102

mwrguy is right: HRC *did* start that secret campaign, plus her dog whistle Liberal_Stalwart71 Mar 2015 #116

I need to see the link, the infirmation I have seen proves she did not start this Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #117

It is absolutely true that she went on Bill O'Reilly show and never batted Liberal_Stalwart71 Mar 2015 #120

It doesn't make it true because she did not but it down any more than Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #123

Read mwrguy post #62 again, if mwrguy is correct Hillary is not the source. Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #119

But her surrogates are, and she STILL never issued any statement, never batted Liberal_Stalwart71 Mar 2015 #121

then the people who continue to repeat the story needs to correct the record. Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #122

First, her name is Secretary Clinton. Sarcastica Feb 2015 #55

I never knew her first name was Secretary steve2470 Mar 2015 #58

Again, "Ms." is a title that you have assigned to her, Sarcastica Mar 2015 #68

That is ridiculous hair-splitting. [n/t] Maedhros Mar 2015 #78

He's a supporter, he's not demeaning her. You're looking for another candidate, no? freshwest Mar 2015 #84

I want a good primary too! JustAnotherGen Mar 2015 #93

Thanks. You posted about a thread on Webb and Malloy, said it was good discussion, about issues. freshwest Mar 2015 #94

Do I think the Clintons are racist, no DonCoquixote Mar 2015 #60

Inartful perhaps. Racist? No. No more than Joe Biden who's as inartful as they come. Tarheel_Dem Mar 2015 #63

This is good to read JustAnotherGen Mar 2015 #67

"either one got the nomination I would vote for them." As would I! I'm not dumb enuf to sit out an Tarheel_Dem Mar 2015 #74

Why not favor Warren or Sanders? I have not problem with them, but I do with those who claim... freshwest Mar 2015 #85

Something here which is a good point JustAnotherGen Mar 2015 #92

Great post, JAG. I was curious why you were saying you were hostile to Warren Number23 Mar 2015 #95

Thanks for your input! steve2470 Mar 2015 #72

elections can get ugly JI7 Mar 2015 #75

Yes, they can. But the "Southern Strategy"? We expect ReThugs to do that to John McCain Liberal_Stalwart71 Mar 2015 #103

During the 2008 primary run Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #76

To me, this sounds like Hillary was just reciting poll results. Maedhros Mar 2015 #79

How does she know how hard white people work? merrily Apr 2015 #126

So you're thinking this was a calculated play for white votes? Maedhros Apr 2015 #147

There was one "racially tinged" move after another from her campaign merrily Apr 2015 #148

At that time she was running a very tough campaign. lovemydog Mar 2015 #81

Fuck her. I hate her. I hate the racism that she, her husband, and her surrogates ran on in 2007. Liberal_Stalwart71 Mar 2015 #96

And this is why I love you! JustAnotherGen Mar 2015 #113

I'll probably be banned again. :( Liberal_Stalwart71 Mar 2015 #114

Don't hold it in. I don't think you'll get banned. Look at all the HRC haters. At least, you are freshwest Apr 2015 #125

I will continue to speak truth to power Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2015 #138

AFAIK, these here at not Democrats IRL. Nobody acts as obnoxious, 'TBH.' n/t freshwest Apr 2015 #139

And just this morning the Anti-Hillary group was on DU whining about being called Hillary Haters.. misterhighwasted Apr 2015 #155

I am a very proud Hillary Hater with a very good reason for it. It is the Hillary lovers Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2015 #157

ok. BYE misterhighwasted Apr 2015 #159

Bye Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2015 #160

I officially regret making this OP now steve2470 Mar 2015 #111

I don't regret you making this thread JustAnotherGen Mar 2015 #112

Why? You shouldn't. There are a lot of things that should be said about HRC Liberal_Stalwart71 Mar 2015 #118

to those that argue whether DonCoquixote Apr 2015 #133

Thank you so much. I appreciate this. Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2015 #158

Just to present a different point of view ... my wife likes HRC a lot. kwassa Apr 2015 #161

It has been my experience that some black people who intermarry tend to believe that racism is Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2015 #162

This would not be true of my wife. kwassa Apr 2015 #163

That's great. If she's a black woman like me, she knows all too well how much the intersection race Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2015 #165

I totally agree with you. kwassa Apr 2015 #168

Not for me! JustAnotherGen Apr 2015 #164