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118. Why? You shouldn't. There are a lot of things that should be said about HRC

Thu Mar 12, 2015, 10:09 AM

Mar 2015

and her supporters who make excuses for her but are quick to condemn others for much less.

I'm glad you did because you know I have a lot to say.

I lurked for better part of the Democratic Party primaries. I didn't support Obama or Clinton in the beginning.

Clinton has a lot to do to heal the rift between herself and members of the black community. Yes, unfortunately there are some of us who have forgotten her behavior in 2007-8 but many of us have not. While we appreciate how the Clintons backed Obama--we do notice that every now and again, they make snide remarks against this administration; they criticize and issue "inartful statements" regarding the SITTING PRESIDENT. Even after Bill Clinton admitted that he had lied under oath, the overwhelming majority of the black community stood by him and his wife. Even after the humiliation of that entire episode, Whitewater, and the other embarrassments, blacks and most Democrats stood behind the Clintons. But get the Negro in the White House and people can't stand it; they absolutely hate this black man, and I see it coming from so-called white liberals and many blacks, too! That we are forced to have a separate forum dedicated solely to President Obama, that celebrates his accomplishments, is a testament to that. The double standard is not lost on me.

So yes, since the Democratic Party insists on throwing Hillary Clinton down our collective throats, there needs to be a fuller discussion on what needs to be done to heal lingering wounds that she and her supporters inflicted.

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Ms. Clinton [View all] steve2470 Feb 2015 OP

I do about some other things marym625 Feb 2015 #1

ok thanks steve2470 Feb 2015 #3

No! She never apologized for it. Fuck her racist ass. And fuck her husband and their supporters! Liberal_Stalwart71 Mar 2015 #97

I missed that Bobby Kennedy one, but I remember the rest of those, especially Ferraro. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 #128

Yes, I agree - as bad, or inartful, as that statement is by Hillary, there are far worse things she has said that are racially insensitive. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2015 #27

personally, I would prefer she doesn't become artful at hiding her racism. marym625 Feb 2015 #28

Yes ur right Mary in demanding honesty from Hillary. Just sayin she needs 2 step up her game 2 avoid showin her racially insensitive side 2 have any chance of becomin President... InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2015 #31

Well said marym625 Feb 2015 #33

Indeed, you have expressed the exact idea that has led me Jackpine Radical Mar 2015 #77

If progressives stood united, Hillary wud hear our collective "infinitesimal" voices loud & clear. Elizabeth again sets the example 4 all of us. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2015 #80

Not "racially insensitive". No such thing. She's a racist. Period. Liberal_Stalwart71 Mar 2015 #100

I would agree with you LS, in most cases, yes. Ive seen situations, however, in which, someone says something... InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2015 #104

These are very intelligent people. I would argue that both Bill and Hillary Clinton Liberal_Stalwart71 Mar 2015 #107

Here again, your makin a lot of sense and, as far as Bill's racist attitudes are concerned, I completely agree. Perhaps, Hillary just hides it better InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2015 #109

Here again, your makin a lot of sense and, as far as Bill's racist attitudes are concerned, I completely agree. Perhaps, Hillary just hides it better... InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2015 #110

Add me to the whites who agree with everything you said. I considered her racist statements about Nay Apr 2015 #134

This message was self-deleted by its author InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2015 #32

NO!! Her comment was not "inartful". It was DELIBERATE!!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Mar 2015 #98

If Hillary never advocated for Civil Rights, women's rights, children's rights, better Thinkingabout Feb 2015 #2

if she never had, it would, yes steve2470 Feb 2015 #4

She fought for Civil Rights in her college days and her record shows she worked Thinkingabout Feb 2015 #5

thanks nt steve2470 Feb 2015 #6

I might get behind Hillary Rodham. marym625 Feb 2015 #29

Civil Rights for WHITE WOMEN! She could give a shit for blacks! Liberal_Stalwart71 Mar 2015 #99

Your rant about Hillary being a Goldwater girl, she was 16 at the time of the election in which Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #105

If you don't know who Barry Goldwater was and you are making excuses for Hillary Liberal_Stalwart71 Mar 2015 #106

I know who Goldwater was, the point I was making was she was 16 years old, I don't know if I had my Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #108

I don't give a shit how old she was. At 16, I was politically active. Of course, I lived Liberal_Stalwart71 Mar 2015 #115

Oh please! leftofcool Apr 2015 #127

Oh please! We are a demographic that counts! JustAnotherGen Apr 2015 #142

Again, no credibility, no moral standing. And guess what? Because of that we will have a Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2015 #149

In the AA group, you're going to talk about AAs being racist? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 #129

Rant about whatever you want, be truthful, she was 17 about two weeks before the election. Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #130

Erich is not 'rant' ing about anything JustAnotherGen Apr 2015 #141

Think you have the wrong person to reply, I am not the one posting about AA. Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #143

Post #105 JustAnotherGen Apr 2015 #144

I rather doubt Hillary is racists, she marched in favor of civil rights in her young days. Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #145

I didn't say she was JustAnotherGen Apr 2015 #146

I'm saying, point blank, Hillary Rodham Clinton is a racist! There! Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2015 #150

Are you threatening me or trying to scare me? Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #152

You take it as a threat, but I promise you that if you dare call me a racist, I'm TELLING you Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2015 #153

I can have any opinion I want, I am free to do this, don't stalk me. Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #154

You continue to respond to me and insinuate that I am a racist, not HRC! Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2015 #156

You called Liberal Stalwart a racist - at DU that is a hide able offense supported by admin JustAnotherGen Apr 2015 #167

Group Host Hat On JustAnotherGen Apr 2015 #166

They pulled the race baiting switch a couple times back then, and some did NOT randys1 Feb 2015 #7

yes I'll gladly vote for her versus any Republican steve2470 Feb 2015 #8

Indeed, she needs to have meetings with lots of groups, liberals 2nd to the top of the list randys1 Feb 2015 #9

Well, when a bunch of Clinton supporters get so pissed the black guy won that they go republican... Scootaloo Mar 2015 #57

What they saw in her is a non-black person. That's what they saw. Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2015 #151

I and many other persons of color will never forget Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2015 #137

I really do not have a problem with her statement ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #10

ok I'm glad you said that steve2470 Feb 2015 #11

Further, I think what happened was she was trying NOT to she what was in her head ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #13

yes steve2470 Feb 2015 #14

LOL. Mark my words ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #17

I like that Jim Webb said it JustAnotherGen Feb 2015 #52

For the first time, you and I do not agree. She was playing that racist Southern Strategy. Liberal_Stalwart71 Mar 2015 #101

I also had issues with the things her surrogates were doing. bravenak Feb 2015 #12

You're right ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #15

Glad I'm not the only one. bravenak Feb 2015 #16

Do I believe HRC is a racist? ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #18

I feel the same way. bravenak Feb 2015 #19

I'm 50+ years old ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #20

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks that. bravenak Feb 2015 #21

I paid her no attention in 2008 and didn't caucus for her. freshwest Mar 2015 #86

You're right. bravenak Mar 2015 #87

I lost a lot of 'friends' over their not voting for Obama. Their reasons were nonsensical. freshwest Mar 2015 #88

I miss him too. bravenak Mar 2015 #89

Am I wrong to say as I have, that it's all downhill from here? freshwest Mar 2015 #90

Nope. I see it too. bravenak Mar 2015 #91

Yeah, I love Van Jones. Vocal, intelligent, take-no-shit kind of guy. No wonder they Nay Apr 2015 #135

RWNJ media made such a stink for a few weeks the Administration was fielding their nutty questions freshwest Apr 2015 #136

I'm glad he still has his hand in. I really miss him. nt Nay Apr 2015 #140

I have a photo of Hillary holding my daughter in 2008. kwassa Feb 2015 #22

that's awesome :) nt steve2470 Feb 2015 #24

It doesn't bother me JustAnotherGen Feb 2015 #23

ok I'm glad to hear this! steve2470 Feb 2015 #25

If HRC is candidate, I'm staying home for sure politicman Feb 2015 #26

Who do you think isn't a corporate shill? Thinkingabout Feb 2015 #34

isnt your question an indictment on us if some people believe we cant even find a candidate not.. politicman Feb 2015 #35

Now to set the record straight. Warren has been very open about getting campaign contributions Thinkingabout Feb 2015 #36

... politicman Feb 2015 #38

The right message is important but separating Warren and Bernie from being a corporate shill is not Thinkingabout Feb 2015 #39

I disagree.. politicman Feb 2015 #40

When many in the 99% is making minimun wages there isnt any money left to donate. Thinkingabout Feb 2015 #41

why do you think many are making minimum wage? politicman Feb 2015 #42

Peehaps because I am making minumun wage, have lots of people arond me making the same and Thinkingabout Feb 2015 #43

Without sacrifice to change, things will only get worse in future politicman Feb 2015 #44

You know, there needs to be a reality check here. Now if I donate $200 out of Thinkingabout Feb 2015 #45

I agree.... politicman Feb 2015 #46

Don't believe the RW crap, even the RW crap posted here on DU. Thinkingabout Feb 2015 #47

BTW, I am not referring to percentages on donations, I am saying Thinkingabout Feb 2015 #48

so are you happy with continuing the dynamic we have at the moment then? politicman Feb 2015 #49

This is why I am backing Hillary, she has been in the 99% much of her life. Thinkingabout Feb 2015 #50

I believe different. politicman Feb 2015 #54

Yes, tell me again how this is going to happen, if you dont believe Warren and Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #59

Warren and Bernie at least have stood against the 1% with legislation politicman Mar 2015 #61

What, exactly, is the "legislation" you keep talking about & did it pass? Is it law? Tarheel_Dem Mar 2015 #64

ISIS Resolution Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #71

Yeah, but... Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 #132

If any asshole Republican gets near the White House JustAnotherGen Feb 2015 #51

it will be the fault of those that nominate a centrist if we lose politicman Feb 2015 #56

I disagree - you do realize there have been JustAnotherGen Mar 2015 #66

Never stay home. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 #131

Hillary's campaign also started the whole birther thing mwrguy Feb 2015 #30

I need to see some proof of this one, this is the first time I have ever heard this one. Thinkingabout Feb 2015 #37

There's truth in this JustAnotherGen Feb 2015 #53

What ticked me off about her personally were two things: freshwest Apr 2015 #124

Here you go: mwrguy Mar 2015 #62

Well, let's hope those people won't be associated with her new campaign. n/t Tarheel_Dem Mar 2015 #65

Or trolls trying to get rumors as this one going. There seems to be some Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #70

Bill Kristol and his allies are here, and they've been here all along. Ya Better Believe It! Tarheel_Dem Mar 2015 #73

Oh, yeah! freshwest Mar 2015 #83

I hope you will find the candidate you can support next year. n/t freshwest Mar 2015 #82

Read it again Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #69

That's right. She is a racist. Her, Bill, their surrogates. I don't understand why people Liberal_Stalwart71 Mar 2015 #102

mwrguy is right: HRC *did* start that secret campaign, plus her dog whistle Liberal_Stalwart71 Mar 2015 #116

I need to see the link, the infirmation I have seen proves she did not start this Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #117

It is absolutely true that she went on Bill O'Reilly show and never batted Liberal_Stalwart71 Mar 2015 #120

It doesn't make it true because she did not but it down any more than Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #123

Read mwrguy post #62 again, if mwrguy is correct Hillary is not the source. Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #119

But her surrogates are, and she STILL never issued any statement, never batted Liberal_Stalwart71 Mar 2015 #121

then the people who continue to repeat the story needs to correct the record. Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #122

First, her name is Secretary Clinton. Sarcastica Feb 2015 #55

I never knew her first name was Secretary steve2470 Mar 2015 #58

Again, "Ms." is a title that you have assigned to her, Sarcastica Mar 2015 #68

That is ridiculous hair-splitting. [n/t] Maedhros Mar 2015 #78

He's a supporter, he's not demeaning her. You're looking for another candidate, no? freshwest Mar 2015 #84

I want a good primary too! JustAnotherGen Mar 2015 #93

Thanks. You posted about a thread on Webb and Malloy, said it was good discussion, about issues. freshwest Mar 2015 #94

Do I think the Clintons are racist, no DonCoquixote Mar 2015 #60

Inartful perhaps. Racist? No. No more than Joe Biden who's as inartful as they come. Tarheel_Dem Mar 2015 #63

This is good to read JustAnotherGen Mar 2015 #67

"either one got the nomination I would vote for them." As would I! I'm not dumb enuf to sit out an Tarheel_Dem Mar 2015 #74

Why not favor Warren or Sanders? I have not problem with them, but I do with those who claim... freshwest Mar 2015 #85

Something here which is a good point JustAnotherGen Mar 2015 #92

Great post, JAG. I was curious why you were saying you were hostile to Warren Number23 Mar 2015 #95

Thanks for your input! steve2470 Mar 2015 #72

elections can get ugly JI7 Mar 2015 #75

Yes, they can. But the "Southern Strategy"? We expect ReThugs to do that to John McCain Liberal_Stalwart71 Mar 2015 #103

During the 2008 primary run Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #76

To me, this sounds like Hillary was just reciting poll results. Maedhros Mar 2015 #79

How does she know how hard white people work? merrily Apr 2015 #126

So you're thinking this was a calculated play for white votes? Maedhros Apr 2015 #147

There was one "racially tinged" move after another from her campaign merrily Apr 2015 #148

At that time she was running a very tough campaign. lovemydog Mar 2015 #81

Fuck her. I hate her. I hate the racism that she, her husband, and her surrogates ran on in 2007. Liberal_Stalwart71 Mar 2015 #96

And this is why I love you! JustAnotherGen Mar 2015 #113

I'll probably be banned again. :( Liberal_Stalwart71 Mar 2015 #114

Don't hold it in. I don't think you'll get banned. Look at all the HRC haters. At least, you are freshwest Apr 2015 #125

I will continue to speak truth to power Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2015 #138

AFAIK, these here at not Democrats IRL. Nobody acts as obnoxious, 'TBH.' n/t freshwest Apr 2015 #139

And just this morning the Anti-Hillary group was on DU whining about being called Hillary Haters.. misterhighwasted Apr 2015 #155

I am a very proud Hillary Hater with a very good reason for it. It is the Hillary lovers Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2015 #157

ok. BYE misterhighwasted Apr 2015 #159

Bye Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2015 #160

I officially regret making this OP now steve2470 Mar 2015 #111

I don't regret you making this thread JustAnotherGen Mar 2015 #112

Why? You shouldn't. There are a lot of things that should be said about HRC Liberal_Stalwart71 Mar 2015 #118

to those that argue whether DonCoquixote Apr 2015 #133

Thank you so much. I appreciate this. Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2015 #158

Just to present a different point of view ... my wife likes HRC a lot. kwassa Apr 2015 #161

It has been my experience that some black people who intermarry tend to believe that racism is Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2015 #162

This would not be true of my wife. kwassa Apr 2015 #163

That's great. If she's a black woman like me, she knows all too well how much the intersection race Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2015 #165

I totally agree with you. kwassa Apr 2015 #168

Not for me! JustAnotherGen Apr 2015 #164