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MrScorpio

(73,778 posts)
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 09:29 PM Mar 2015

This group is supposed to be a safe haven for black voices. So, I'm posting this here... [View all]

Now, this is not to say that I'm promoting myself as some expert on the subject of race, despite what our right wing stalker friends may think of me, I do however have a voice and a black one at that.

I don't know if you've noticed my absence in some of the more active GD threads recently discussing race. I've read through some and felt that jumping into them would take away more time from my day than I can afford, given the fact that I have other things to do.

But moreover, it's quite clear that a significant portion of the members are neither capable or willing to have a detached, knowledgeable and self-examined discussion about how American white supremacy affects all of us in this country.

It starts with a complete unwillingness to listen to black voices without reacting as if one is being attacked. Much of dealing with that reaction serves to hijack conversations and turn them into huge messes. No one wants to be blamed for racism, even if they're a person who has spent their entire life deriving the benefits inherent in white supremacy and have done so without any tacit consent. They didn't ask to be born white in a white supremacist country, however, it does help a lot if they take the time and effort to become aware of how the world works. The inability to understand the pain rendered in black voices is quite troublesome indeed, when that inability is seen in those who profess to be the allies of black people.

Even in this supposed struggle together against racism, it's white supremacy that serves to divide us. Because it is white supremacy that impels its beneficiaries to believe that they are the sole arbiters and creators of definitions about race. Of course, when someone gets to call the shots, then they will invariably do so in ways to derive an advantage. Racism and race themselves are artificial constructs made to facilitate white supremacy. So even within the realm of these discussions over race, many of them start off wrong.

I could go on, but I'm sure that you get the gist of my point here.

I must say, though, that as the political season advances and if it becomes likely that Hillary will be our nominee, I'm quite sure that the question of her feminist credentials may come up regarding the subject of Intersectionality. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersectionality I figure that those discussions won't be pretty at all.

If there's any a place on the net which is both ill-equipped to have good discussions about race, class and gender AND is an appropriate place to have them, it's DU. The reason it seems, as has been shown in the recent discussions about race alone, is that DU generally and GD specifically serves as bad examples.

I'm quite sure that others have pointed this out and also have reasons why that's the case. For example, DU must have been invaded by right wing trolls. Unfortunately, the problem is much more basic than that: It's the pathological inability to cope with being born in a white supremacist culture. As the holders and users of black voices, we really have no power over white supremacy, other than speaking out against it. That powerless doesn't flow in one direction when it comes to systemic and institutional white supremacy, white people are affected in much the same way.

There is, however an individual component to white supremacy that even its beneficiaries do have some control over. And that is how much the individual chooses to become self-aware, how much they choose to forego feelings of guilt and blame even in the face of the angriest of black voices. There's the phrase that one should strive to check ones privilege. To me that means that the person holding inherent privilege in any given situation should take a moment to realize how they sound to a person who does not have privilege. In myself, as a straight male, that would mean that I would have to check my own privilege while listening to the voices of others who are not straight males. I'm not saying that I've been perfect in every case, however I have chosen to gain from the experience.

The main problem with white privilege, or any other system of privilege, is that it inhibits the holder from automatically improving themselves as an individual. Privilege is the promotion of inherent mediocrity for arbitrary reasons. I don't know why more people can't understand that. But when blindness becomes a choice, it can create unwilling combatants between natural allies and unnatural battlegrounds of places that should be safe havens.

Anyway, before I disappeared again I just wanted to relay my observations.

So, take care of each other. Who else do you have to try and depend on?








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Being white I know I can't begin to expound on the Black experience. Gman Mar 2015 #1
Another great post from one of DU's finest posters. Thanks MrScorpio. Scuba Mar 2015 #2
Thank you for posting this. SheilaT Mar 2015 #3
Post removed Post removed Mar 2015 #4
I bow down. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #5
... handmade34 Mar 2015 #6
Kick! sheshe2 Mar 2015 #7
At the risk of exposing a greater ignorance than I suspect I have. Half-Century Man Mar 2015 #8
I regard the term "privilege" as a description of normality... MrScorpio Mar 2015 #9
Oh I know it does exist, I just think the argument need inclusion as a topic. Half-Century Man Mar 2015 #13
We need posts like these. ananda Mar 2015 #10
You should not go away, Mr. Scorpio PatrickforO Mar 2015 #11
Just a personal opinion, but I'm a little uncomfortable with the phrase "black voices" ... MadDAsHell Mar 2015 #12
"Not every African-American feels oppressed, unheard, or discriminated against".......... steve2470 Mar 2015 #15
There are many black people who suppress their oppression. It's too painful for them to deal with. Liberal_Stalwart71 Mar 2015 #40
ok, thanks for that info! :) nt steve2470 Mar 2015 #41
I'm not sure where you are getting azmom Mar 2015 #36
Thank you. I read that post and the question marks and Number23 Mar 2015 #42
per your last line heaven05 Mar 2015 #39
You call yourself "MadasHell" and have identified yourself repeatedly as black Number23 Mar 2015 #43
Sorry Massa, I'll be a good angry black person for you going forward. nt MadDAsHell Mar 2015 #44
"I'll be a good angry black person for you going forward" Number23 Mar 2015 #45
There's this song by Mötley Crüe JustAnotherGen Mar 2015 #46
Yep. Would be perfectly fine with me. Number23 Mar 2015 #47
I value your voice, MrScorpio. Please post often here and in GD! nt steve2470 Mar 2015 #14
Thank you for bringing it, MrScorpio libodem Mar 2015 #16
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Other than being a troll, do you have any other accomplishments in your life? MrScorpio Mar 2015 #20
Excellent post, Mr. Scorpio. There are many on DU, however ... kwassa Mar 2015 #18
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Just in case any of you weren't aware of this, but "Lamond" is my IRL first name MrScorpio Mar 2015 #21
That's very interesting JustAnotherGen Mar 2015 #22
I'm just disappointed because I never got a reply... MrScorpio Mar 2015 #23
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Hated to see this important topic derailed libodem Mar 2015 #25
KnR. nt tblue37 Mar 2015 #26
Mr.Scorpio, I have admired your writing for quite some time now. Do you happen to be a tblue37 Mar 2015 #27
Nope, I am a complete amateur… MrScorpio Mar 2015 #30
Excellent Post!!! Rightwing trolls are not the problem, they announce themselves and none of us are NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #28
fantastic observations guillaumeb Mar 2015 #29
A fine post of the kind we all have come to expect from Mr. Scorpio. Damansarajaya Mar 2015 #31
Kicked and Recced F4lconF16 Mar 2015 #32
Awesome post! I agree with everything you said! Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #33
God, what a magnificent post. Every word Number23 Mar 2015 #34
A great and informative post. Thanks. GoneFishin Mar 2015 #35
Thank you and k & r. lovemydog Mar 2015 #37
eloquent and succinct heaven05 Mar 2015 #38
Perhaps you haven't noticed that safe havens aren't really safe havens. Major Hogwash Apr 2015 #48
I look for your posts, Mr. Scorpio. Thanks for your insights in this one. nt Hekate Apr 2015 #49
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