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In reply to the discussion: Ms. Clinton [View all]freshwest
(53,661 posts)The 'Obama needs to pick a VP now - hint, hint - because RFK was killed during the primary.'
Ms. Clinton and I are of the same age and knew how traumatic that memory was, and I think she put her foot in her mouth (up to her knee) with that.
She may have been looking at the past, but also the time of the primary, as there were not only death threats against Obama, but actual shootings from the white supremacists who shot up a black neighborhood and planned to kill a lot of black people, too.
There was the Waffle House Putsch gang as well, but that may have been later, I confess I'm not sure of the time line. It was history repeating itself:
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Beer_Hall_Putsch&printable=yes
It was a serious time in 2008, and it absolutely rubbed me raw for her to say that about picking a VP before the nomination was done. To me, it was like wishing him dead on a spiritual plane. I know that sounds nuts, still...
Ms. Clinton and I both lived in the South... there was no way that the atmosphere on the GOP side was anything but racist. I literally cut off cable when I saw Palin in some of her southern rallies and it was exactly like a KKK rally. I thought I was going to have a heart attack watching what to me was a nightmare.
Ever seen one, from back in the day, I mean. We knew what they were capable of and still want to do. You never forget it if you see those knuckledraggers. They slaughtered black people and their white supporters for over a century. It's only been since the relief of Obama's survival tI don't fear them as much as I did, and I'm white.
The other thing she did that got under my skin was what she did in the debates. I was so grieved about the war in Iraq. And nothing seemed to be able to stop it under BushCo. When the guy I caucused for tried to steer to the conversation on the war to a more human level, she threw back her head and laughed. I was so ticked off.
At the same debate, Obama took a different approach to the anti-war candidates than the 'self-named serious contenders.' He was respectful and listened to them. That struck a chord with me. I knew then I was seeing genius at work and a man with a belief in the process of democracy and equality. He has far exceeded all that I hoped for as POTUS.
I saw an interview this past week that I'd missed, before Obama became president. It as a long interveiw, the kind I wish that everyone had had a chance to see. He said that Democrats had bought into the war for several reasons, and HRC had too, but he didn't fault them. He said though, that he didn't agree.
But Obama forgave Clinton all that happened in her run for the nomination, calling it a tough campaign with no slaps at her. That is the kind of man he is.
I still don't know what the appeal of Jim Webb was, but believe he has no chance of winning the nomination, much less the presidency. I'm sure he has some great ideas such as Sanders and Warren have. But so much of what we think of a candidate comes from their supporters. Obama ran a tight campaign with great people and great plan.
Saying 'community organizers' as a perjorative is ridiculous. Those skills came into play and Obama won. But not just that, but because of what kind of man Obama is. Those without blinders could see it. i'm just not hearing much from HRC or Webb or O'Malley to judge them by in the present time.