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Tarheel_Dem

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46. Unless Joe Biden announces, and given his standing in the polls, that seems unlikely, I am a......

Mon May 25, 2015, 01:23 PM

May 2015

Hillary supporter. The good news is that some of my fellow Obama supporters are backing other candidates, and I haven't lost one of shred of respect for them. We just differ about this. That's what grownups do.

It's obvious to me that both Bernie Sanders & Elizabeth Warren have been used as a bludgeon against other Democrats, and that helped me make up my mind. Barack Obama was a once in a lifetime candidate who struck a nerve in a war weary population, and I just don't see anyone, including Hillary, capturing the imagination of the world in quite the same way, but I especially can't see that with a seriously unpolished candidate like Bernie Sanders.

Barack Obama's 2008 campaign is still being emulated across the globe. We saw it in India. We saw it in the UK, and I'm sitting here listening to a victory rally in Spain, where they're screaming "YES WE CAN"! or "Sí, se puede".

Truth be told, Hispanics backed Hillary over Obama in the '08 primary, but they got over it, and voted for him overwhelmingly in the general election. I don't see that affection transferring to Bernie, especially if the mindset of his DU supporters is the attitude of his campaign. We don't need some smug, pie-in-the-sky white liberal with more degrees than common sense, calling us "uninformed" or "low information voters", or that they know what's best for us. I mean damn, why not just pat me on the head, and be done with it, one gesture is just as insulting as the other. Screw That!

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Guys, after seeing the Sanders supporters show their royal hineys in CaliDem's OP [View all] Number23 May 2015 OP

I liked the post gollygee May 2015 #1

Perfectly said. And I forgot where one person enters the thread and said that Hillary's 87% Number23 May 2015 #2

This ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #141

"Many of the most vocal" awoke_in_2003 May 2015 #3

+1. nt MADem May 2015 #35

Hey you Number23 May 2015 #53

I think we've got trouble, right here in DU city! MADem May 2015 #55

See! This is why I asked! Number23 May 2015 #63

This sounds very much like an argument gollygee May 2015 #85

I saw JAG's reply to you on a week old thread and got so mad, I burst into tears and signed out. freshwest May 2015 #117

I disagree about Clinton Supporters here. I can't bring up Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2015 #189

That's a good point gollygee Jun 2015 #193

Can you link? I can't find that OP. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2015 #4

Pretty sure it's on the front page of GD. Number23 May 2015 #5

I don't think the exclusionary nature of that politics is incidental BainsBane May 2015 #6

Show me a DUer tossing out the "Third Way" insult and I'll show you an individual that I will be Number23 May 2015 #7

"Third Way!!!!!!" is as silly as "Socialist!!!!!!!!!!" MADem May 2015 #94

Whoops! Those are some very inconvenient truths. greatauntoftriplets May 2015 #95

Now ain't THAT a surprise! Number23 May 2015 #97

They HATE him--it's astounding, some of the vitriol. As they say, "But WAIT-there's MORE!" MADem May 2015 #101

OMGawd! The Turd Ways have set the SWP against the Messiah! Thanks, I needed the laugh. freshwest May 2015 #119

That Utopia JustAnotherGen May 2015 #127

Thanks for what you said... And I found the post about confiscation... I've no problem with wealth freshwest Jun 2015 #181

And you've talked about Sanders favorably for a very long time BainsBane May 2015 #172

Oh good Lord. Some people seriously have got nothing better to do with their boring lives... Hekate May 2015 #103

I don't care for these crazy "purity tests." People are either good people who want things MADem May 2015 #104

I co-sign every single word of this post Number23 May 2015 #105

That tearing apart JustAnotherGen May 2015 #128

SANDERNISTAS? It's an hilarious play on words...if you're a Republican! MADem May 2015 #131

'The hostile anger in response is hardly reassuring, nor is it intended to be.' freshwest May 2015 #16

That was the hallmark of Hillary's campaign in 2007-8... Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2015 #183

I'm 75% white and almost 74 years old and I could not agree more tularetom Jun 2015 #202

I've long had suspicions about the bulk of the Puritopians here. OilemFirchen May 2015 #8

I didn't read the Snoop Dogg thread but I can guess the responses Number23 May 2015 #9

Yeah I think you nailed it. n/t gollygee May 2015 #20

Here we have... sheshe2 May 2015 #34

I started the Snoop Dog thread that was trashed DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #110

What was your Beyonce thread? And I'm sorry that happened to you Number23 May 2015 #113

Snoop got trashed for being rich and saying he liked HRC because we need a woman's perspective. DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #114

Not lost on me that Brodus and Bey ARE black. Not lost on me at all! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2015 #184

This might give you a chuckle... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #186

WOW!! His son looks just like him. Spitting image! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2015 #195

Complete with jheri curls./NT DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #196

I ain't gon' laugh because I had one, too! LOL! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2015 #198

We're all GOP operatives now is the new meme. n/t freshwest May 2015 #118

I remember that. I left when the attacks began. Sorry about it, should have been treated better. freshwest May 2015 #120

I saw all those things too. Behind the Aegis May 2015 #10

And there's a post on the front page right now with somebody "hurling" some letters at Obama Number23 May 2015 #11

It does make one question how "real" they are. Behind the Aegis May 2015 #12

Yes!! Number23 May 2015 #13

I am the same in regards with minorities who "vote against their interests" being Republicans. Behind the Aegis May 2015 #14

You articulated one of the most bizarre and unexplainable things perfectly Number23 May 2015 #26

I had my fill on that on one of the many 'cat food commission' threads bashing Obama. freshwest May 2015 #17

I think the idea is that some of these folks on the "left" who purport to care about the downtrodden Number23 May 2015 #24

You nailed it. That is exactly how it goes. n/t freshwest May 2015 #30

+1 ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #148

When I assert that white liberals can be just as horrible Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2015 #197

It's not about race, it's about class. qwlauren35 Jun 2015 #199

I almost did when I saw your header before opening the post. :) Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2015 #208

But ... But ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #145

I missed that particular comment BainsBane May 2015 #18

Thank god I missed that post JustAnotherGen May 2015 #19

hey sweetie! dlwickham May 2015 #76

Hey, long time, no see! Behind the Aegis May 2015 #79

Thank you for keeping it on course, as onpatrol did, and glad I missed a whitesplaining thread. n/t freshwest May 2015 #15

Just finished reading CaliDemocrat's thread. greatauntoftriplets May 2015 #21

"WHAT HAS HE DONE FOR YOU LATELY???!!" Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #22

Plus 1000 on all of this JustAnotherGen May 2015 #23

I'm so happy for your husband's daughter. lovemydog May 2015 #36

It's not his daughter! JustAnotherGen May 2015 #42

Oh I'm sorry! lovemydog May 2015 #48

LOL! - JustAnotherGen May 2015 #54

He sounds like a very funny man. lovemydog May 2015 #78

If only 20% of the electorate calls itself "liberal", then that's Sanders high watermark. Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #44

This weekend, while driving back from visiting ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #149

Dammit 1SBM, I've been asking the same questions that Mrs. 1SBM is asking. Bernie's been huffing & Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #152

The pro-Sanders response is ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #156

+1. Just being the loudest brings you no reward. You get a lot of facetime on the teevee machine, Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #158

But let me stop ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #159

I didn't know about the primary thing. The Occupy thing got too Paulish for me. The coffins at the freshwest May 2015 #25

MADem always does "good analysis". And yes, Bernie was seeking a challenger for Obama in '12. Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #45

I know that you are a Hillary supporter so I'm so glad that you're in this thread Number23 May 2015 #28

Unless Joe Biden announces, and given his standing in the polls, that seems unlikely, I am a...... Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #46

He absolutely was a once in a lifetime candidate. In terms of my political life, I am absolutely Number23 May 2015 #49

+ 1000 sheshe2 May 2015 #61

Yep. And so far, I haven't felt that "ground swell" for either of the current candidates Number23 May 2015 #64

The black class divide is so offsneive. It's like counting on the latino vote like it's in the bag. freshwest May 2015 #81

Another problem with Hillary " Edward Snowden is a traitor " MSM orpupilofnature57 May 2015 #90

She's not alone. I don't give a f**k about Edward Snowden, and neither do most of us..... Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #91

MSM obviously means everything to you . orpupilofnature57 May 2015 #92

When you & Dean Chambers "Unskew that Poll" you come on back now, ya hear? Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #93

He's been removed JustAnotherGen May 2015 #107

Trashed them both as they were created. Problem is, they won't stay put in those groups. Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #130

I kinda felt the same way watching Clinton supporters call Warren hopefuls "rapists" Scootaloo May 2015 #27

Did you make a wrong turn somewhere? The OP could not be more clear what the topic is about Number23 May 2015 #29

Am I misunderstanding the topic? Scootaloo May 2015 #32

You're in the African American group. lovemydog May 2015 #37

I know where I am, and I can read just fine Scootaloo May 2015 #39

Yes, imo. lovemydog May 2015 #40

Well, could you help me out then? Scootaloo May 2015 #41

It's about the lesser of two evils JustAnotherGen May 2015 #43

Here's the problem... Scootaloo May 2015 #47

+1000 orpupilofnature57 May 2015 #52

Read my response JustAnotherGen May 2015 #57

The President made a big mistake dimissing Cornel West both terms . orpupilofnature57 May 2015 #58

Disagree JustAnotherGen May 2015 #59

Cornel West? He's a joke in this community now. He has alienated the people who got him to the.... Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #66

What if it does deeper than that? JustAnotherGen May 2015 #56

Good advice , thanks . orpupilofnature57 May 2015 #75

That argument has been going on long before people were talking about Sanders BainsBane May 2015 #87

I see ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #205

What's the quote from? Scootaloo Jun 2015 #206

One of the pillars of DU ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #207

The weird thing is o'malley and Clinton both have pretty bad form on race shaayecanaan Jun 2015 #209

This right here: freshwest Jun 2015 #194

Rec'd because this is the main reason why HRC will be the nominee, imo BeyondGeography May 2015 #31

Clinton's support from black people was so strong that there are black folks to this DAY that have Number23 May 2015 #33

I agree with you that all the democratic party candidates need to up their games lovemydog May 2015 #38

"I'm very interested in what happens with the Obama coalition." Number23 May 2015 #50

And we are part of that coalition. lovemydog May 2015 #80

Minorities are on the bottom of the 99%, if that isn't a reason, we're sold orpupilofnature57 May 2015 #51

I'm not - and I'm in the 99% JustAnotherGen May 2015 #60

You are an exception to the statistics, no ? orpupilofnature57 May 2015 #62

I have no idea what your posts are saying in this thread Number23 May 2015 #65

+1000 JustAnotherGen May 2015 #67

I guess that person somehow felt that I didn't have enough examples of ignorant, offensive, clueless Number23 May 2015 #68

Your coming with facts ? or antics ? it's not our fault, don't kill the meassengers . orpupilofnature57 May 2015 #69

If you have a "message" would you be kind enough to actually say it? Number23 May 2015 #70

Sure, Hillary Clinton represents to me and others the NWO orpupilofnature57 May 2015 #71

And all I have to say is that I sleep pretty well at night knowing that you and the "others" you Number23 May 2015 #73

Where did I say " Educated Black People " your delusional, most of You orpupilofnature57 May 2015 #74

You made it racial the second you came in here with your idiocy about "minorities" Number23 May 2015 #77

Done orpupilofnature57 May 2015 #83

You are in the African American group BainsBane May 2015 #102

To be fair ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #161

No, when someone starts spouting about oligarchs and the New World Order, I'm pretty sure Number23 May 2015 #164

This is easily zappaman May 2015 #166

Nice to see you in here, zap! Number23 May 2015 #167

The link is here zappaman May 2015 #168

I wonder how they'll react when it is discovered people are claiming he is a dual citizen of Israel. Behind the Aegis May 2015 #169

So what? zappaman May 2015 #170

All concerns about any positions on which Sanders might not conform to the standard approved view BainsBane May 2015 #171

The point is anti-Semitism is getting a pass. Behind the Aegis May 2015 #174

I haven't seen what you describe BainsBane May 2015 #175

Some have in the past. Behind the Aegis May 2015 #176

The post worked BainsBane May 2015 #173

Twenty seven percent of African Americans live below the poverty line as do ... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #111

Yes you do ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #162

It was odd when that poster suggested all people of color are mired in poverty. DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #165

Isn't that what the Black (female) Duer said her her ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #160

Most people on DU have more education and money than me, And I orpupilofnature57 May 2015 #72

You don't want to " exceptionalist " and that's why you can't . orpupilofnature57 May 2015 #84

Thanks - this will prevent us from having to block you from the group JustAnotherGen May 2015 #86

It appears that he would much rather race to GD and whine that he's been persecuted for his Number23 May 2015 #108

Fee-fees! Won't SOMEBODY think of the fee-fees!?! Behind the Aegis May 2015 #115

There are people in GD screaming at Hillary supporters for saying things like "stop acting as though Number23 May 2015 #123

Oh dear lord JustAnotherGen May 2015 #126

Yes indeed - they are for real JustAnotherGen May 2015 #125

Found this cartoon...sums it up pretty well, especially given some recent threads... Behind the Aegis May 2015 #133

Ha ha! JustAnotherGen May 2015 #134

Oh girl, do we need to have a Troy Off up in here??! Number23 May 2015 #142

Why didn't he do that JustAnotherGen May 2015 #124

He was the self deleter from last Summer/Early Fall JustAnotherGen May 2015 #135

I've never noticed his posts or his name at all until now. And yeah, I wonder if he can delete now Number23 May 2015 #143

Don't come back here again, please. We don't need your macho "done" and "see ya" crap Number23 May 2015 #96

This is a brilliant op and thread... Hekate May 2015 #82

Thanks alot, Hekate. Number23 May 2015 #99

I Echo You. qwlauren35 Jun 2015 #200

Absolutely yes. I agree with everything that you've written Number23 Jun 2015 #201

I think Hillary and her supporters realize that they need black support for her to have a chance Cali_Democrat May 2015 #88

Some are Anti-Hillary, I've criticized the President on issues, I don't orpupilofnature57 May 2015 #89

You were asked to not come back to this forum. You replied "done" and "see ya" and yet, are still Number23 May 2015 #98

"So that begs the question, are these people really Bernie supporters?" Number23 May 2015 #100

I'm afraid most of them are BainsBane May 2015 #106

"They refuse to even consider how he will implement any programs." For me, that's got to be the Number23 May 2015 #109

I'll edit this. But the sentiment sure as shit still stands Number23 May 2015 #112

Measured by accomplishments JustAnotherGen May 2015 #129

Threads that were trashed DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #116

Such innocous, positive OPs, nothing negative about any other candidate. Yet, can't be respected. freshwest May 2015 #121

That is their modus operandi; attack, attack, attack!!! DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #132

Well, that was unfortunate. Though the Yanni suggestion was nothing short of inspired Number23 May 2015 #122

Skinner: "I was so naive...I had no clue so many Democrats hated Democrats" steve2470 May 2015 #136

I saw that too! Behind the Aegis May 2015 #137

yes indeed nt steve2470 May 2015 #138

Love that answer! greatauntoftriplets May 2015 #139

Another (seperate but awesome) contribution to this thread. Thanks, steve! Number23 May 2015 #146

Okay ... Before I read the comments below ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #140

How about people of color who still experience prejudice and discrimination... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #144

Not needed! Per a DUer. n/t 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #150

Such a position seems unwise./NT DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #151

Many, many of the folks we are referencing ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #154

John 8:32 DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #155

Some random internet guy ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #157

Wait...what??? Number23 May 2015 #147

I'll try and find the interview ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #153

The thing is, that's a lovely sentiment. It really is Number23 May 2015 #163

I'm so glad I followed a link here. Lilith Rising May 2015 #177

Thanks very much! Number23 May 2015 #178

very thoughtful thread gwheezie May 2015 #179

"We don't want to be told we're too stupid to figure out who we support." Number23 May 2015 #180

I totally get what you mean here Number23. Even Joe Biden, Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2015 #190

Black folks are far too accommodating. But this is what happens when we know the deck is stacked Number23 Jun 2015 #192

I'm actually shocked that I got away with this comment... Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2015 #182

They think JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #185

Me too! Number23 Jun 2015 #187

None of that surprises me one bit. Libertarians also tend to be Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2015 #188

Absolutely right. That's been a big assed dog whistle for a long time Number23 Jun 2015 #191

good post heaven05 Jun 2015 #203

There is more hatred of Hillary on this site than I can find on the mixed boards I post at. randys1 Jun 2015 #204

proud Sanders supporter: I could give a shit about the idiots in GD noiretextatique Jun 2015 #210

Sanders has not said one thing I disagree with him on. Not one Number23 Jun 2015 #211

+1. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #212

in fairness I think most of Hillary's WHITE support is based solely on name recognition yurbud Jun 2015 #213