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In reply to the discussion: Guys, after seeing the Sanders supporters show their royal hineys in CaliDem's OP [View all]MADem
(135,425 posts)101. They HATE him--it's astounding, some of the vitriol. As they say, "But WAIT-there's MORE!"
It sounds a lot like they've got the same copy editor as some of the Clinton-hatin' crew up in here!
They get so MAD about shit--Ooooh--he's a WARMONGER!!!! Oooooh, he's a RACIST!!!!! Oooooh--he's a ZIONIST!!!! OOOooooh--he's 'pro-NSA!!!!!"
I'm not kidding--read some of this stuff, take out Sanders, put in Clinton, and it sounds like some of the nuance-free pablum I've seen here--just hate, anger, misrepresentation and a complete failure to look at the Big Picture:
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/05/15/sand-m15.html
When Burlington business interests and radical posturing came into conflict, Sanders came down unhesitatingly on the side his bread was buttered on. One former supporter, in a recent letter to socialistworker.org, describes how Central American solidarity activists picketed the General Electric factory in Burlington that manufactured machineguns used in military helicopters against peasant guerrillas: I vividly remember Bernie standing arms-folded alongside the right-wing union officials from the factory and the Burlington Police Department as we were being arrested. He falsely insinuated that we were anti-worker, and he refused to have any serious political dialogue with us activists.
In 1990 Sanders ran for the House of Representatives, defeating an incumbent Republican and a Democrat in a three-way race. During congressional deliberations over authorizing the first Gulf War, Sanders declared his support for sanctions, diplomatic pressure and even the use of US forces to pressure Iraq into submission, while stopping, along with most congressional Democrats, just short of voting for the actual war. This caveat was dropped in 1993, when Sanders voted for US intervention in Somalia. Sanders then voted for the NATO air war against Serbia in 1999.....
Sanders voted in 2001 for the Authorization for the Use of Military Force, the congressional resolution that was the basis of George Bushs invasion and occupation of Afghanistan and the launching of the war on terror, and which is still cited by Barack Obama as the legal justification for drone-missile assassinations in Pakistan, Yemen and other countries. He regularly voted for military appropriations bills, required to fund the ongoing war in Iraq Sanders claimed to oppose.
.....Sanders' stance on immigration is entirely in line with right-wing efforts to scapegoat millions of impoverished and exploited Hispanic workers for the falling living standards of American working class. He has repeatedly introduced bills in Congress calling for the suspension of the federal visa program under the guise of protecting American jobs. For his efforts, he has earned the admiration of noted anti-immigrant racist and talk show host Lou Dobbs, who called him one of the few straight talkers in Congress.
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In 1990 Sanders ran for the House of Representatives, defeating an incumbent Republican and a Democrat in a three-way race. During congressional deliberations over authorizing the first Gulf War, Sanders declared his support for sanctions, diplomatic pressure and even the use of US forces to pressure Iraq into submission, while stopping, along with most congressional Democrats, just short of voting for the actual war. This caveat was dropped in 1993, when Sanders voted for US intervention in Somalia. Sanders then voted for the NATO air war against Serbia in 1999.....
Sanders voted in 2001 for the Authorization for the Use of Military Force, the congressional resolution that was the basis of George Bushs invasion and occupation of Afghanistan and the launching of the war on terror, and which is still cited by Barack Obama as the legal justification for drone-missile assassinations in Pakistan, Yemen and other countries. He regularly voted for military appropriations bills, required to fund the ongoing war in Iraq Sanders claimed to oppose.
.....Sanders' stance on immigration is entirely in line with right-wing efforts to scapegoat millions of impoverished and exploited Hispanic workers for the falling living standards of American working class. He has repeatedly introduced bills in Congress calling for the suspension of the federal visa program under the guise of protecting American jobs. For his efforts, he has earned the admiration of noted anti-immigrant racist and talk show host Lou Dobbs, who called him one of the few straight talkers in Congress.
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Now, as I've said, I think these comments--where they take facts, votes, particularly, which happened after a lot of negotiation, compromise, and "best of a bad lot" bargaining, and put inflamed rhetoric around those facts to incite people towards hatred--are beyond the pale. I like Senator Sanders, and I find these characterizations of him egregious. But then, I find a lot of the characterizations of former SecState Clinton by some of Sanders' (cough) supporters (cough) here equally egregious. They should be ashamed of themselves--I can only assume they simply don't know HOW to feel that emotional response!
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Guys, after seeing the Sanders supporters show their royal hineys in CaliDem's OP [View all]
Number23
May 2015
OP
Perfectly said. And I forgot where one person enters the thread and said that Hillary's 87%
Number23
May 2015
#2
I saw JAG's reply to you on a week old thread and got so mad, I burst into tears and signed out.
freshwest
May 2015
#117
Show me a DUer tossing out the "Third Way" insult and I'll show you an individual that I will be
Number23
May 2015
#7
They HATE him--it's astounding, some of the vitriol. As they say, "But WAIT-there's MORE!"
MADem
May 2015
#101
OMGawd! The Turd Ways have set the SWP against the Messiah! Thanks, I needed the laugh.
freshwest
May 2015
#119
Thanks for what you said... And I found the post about confiscation... I've no problem with wealth
freshwest
Jun 2015
#181
Oh good Lord. Some people seriously have got nothing better to do with their boring lives...
Hekate
May 2015
#103
I don't care for these crazy "purity tests." People are either good people who want things
MADem
May 2015
#104
'The hostile anger in response is hardly reassuring, nor is it intended to be.'
freshwest
May 2015
#16
Snoop got trashed for being rich and saying he liked HRC because we need a woman's perspective.
DemocratSinceBirth
May 2015
#114
Not lost on me that Brodus and Bey ARE black. Not lost on me at all!
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jun 2015
#184
I remember that. I left when the attacks began. Sorry about it, should have been treated better.
freshwest
May 2015
#120
And there's a post on the front page right now with somebody "hurling" some letters at Obama
Number23
May 2015
#11
I am the same in regards with minorities who "vote against their interests" being Republicans.
Behind the Aegis
May 2015
#14
I had my fill on that on one of the many 'cat food commission' threads bashing Obama.
freshwest
May 2015
#17
I think the idea is that some of these folks on the "left" who purport to care about the downtrodden
Number23
May 2015
#24
Thank you for keeping it on course, as onpatrol did, and glad I missed a whitesplaining thread. n/t
freshwest
May 2015
#15
If only 20% of the electorate calls itself "liberal", then that's Sanders high watermark.
Tarheel_Dem
May 2015
#44
Dammit 1SBM, I've been asking the same questions that Mrs. 1SBM is asking. Bernie's been huffing &
Tarheel_Dem
May 2015
#152
+1. Just being the loudest brings you no reward. You get a lot of facetime on the teevee machine,
Tarheel_Dem
May 2015
#158
I didn't know about the primary thing. The Occupy thing got too Paulish for me. The coffins at the
freshwest
May 2015
#25
MADem always does "good analysis". And yes, Bernie was seeking a challenger for Obama in '12.
Tarheel_Dem
May 2015
#45
I know that you are a Hillary supporter so I'm so glad that you're in this thread
Number23
May 2015
#28
Unless Joe Biden announces, and given his standing in the polls, that seems unlikely, I am a......
Tarheel_Dem
May 2015
#46
He absolutely was a once in a lifetime candidate. In terms of my political life, I am absolutely
Number23
May 2015
#49
Yep. And so far, I haven't felt that "ground swell" for either of the current candidates
Number23
May 2015
#64
The black class divide is so offsneive. It's like counting on the latino vote like it's in the bag.
freshwest
May 2015
#81
She's not alone. I don't give a f**k about Edward Snowden, and neither do most of us.....
Tarheel_Dem
May 2015
#91
Trashed them both as they were created. Problem is, they won't stay put in those groups.
Tarheel_Dem
May 2015
#130
I kinda felt the same way watching Clinton supporters call Warren hopefuls "rapists"
Scootaloo
May 2015
#27
Did you make a wrong turn somewhere? The OP could not be more clear what the topic is about
Number23
May 2015
#29
Cornel West? He's a joke in this community now. He has alienated the people who got him to the....
Tarheel_Dem
May 2015
#66
That argument has been going on long before people were talking about Sanders
BainsBane
May 2015
#87
The weird thing is o'malley and Clinton both have pretty bad form on race
shaayecanaan
Jun 2015
#209
Clinton's support from black people was so strong that there are black folks to this DAY that have
Number23
May 2015
#33
I agree with you that all the democratic party candidates need to up their games
lovemydog
May 2015
#38
Minorities are on the bottom of the 99%, if that isn't a reason, we're sold
orpupilofnature57
May 2015
#51
I guess that person somehow felt that I didn't have enough examples of ignorant, offensive, clueless
Number23
May 2015
#68
Your coming with facts ? or antics ? it's not our fault, don't kill the meassengers .
orpupilofnature57
May 2015
#69
And all I have to say is that I sleep pretty well at night knowing that you and the "others" you
Number23
May 2015
#73
Where did I say " Educated Black People " your delusional, most of You
orpupilofnature57
May 2015
#74
You made it racial the second you came in here with your idiocy about "minorities"
Number23
May 2015
#77
No, when someone starts spouting about oligarchs and the New World Order, I'm pretty sure
Number23
May 2015
#164
I wonder how they'll react when it is discovered people are claiming he is a dual citizen of Israel.
Behind the Aegis
May 2015
#169
All concerns about any positions on which Sanders might not conform to the standard approved view
BainsBane
May 2015
#171
Twenty seven percent of African Americans live below the poverty line as do ...
DemocratSinceBirth
May 2015
#111
It was odd when that poster suggested all people of color are mired in poverty.
DemocratSinceBirth
May 2015
#165
It appears that he would much rather race to GD and whine that he's been persecuted for his
Number23
May 2015
#108
There are people in GD screaming at Hillary supporters for saying things like "stop acting as though
Number23
May 2015
#123
Found this cartoon...sums it up pretty well, especially given some recent threads...
Behind the Aegis
May 2015
#133
I've never noticed his posts or his name at all until now. And yeah, I wonder if he can delete now
Number23
May 2015
#143
Don't come back here again, please. We don't need your macho "done" and "see ya" crap
Number23
May 2015
#96
I think Hillary and her supporters realize that they need black support for her to have a chance
Cali_Democrat
May 2015
#88
Some are Anti-Hillary, I've criticized the President on issues, I don't
orpupilofnature57
May 2015
#89
You were asked to not come back to this forum. You replied "done" and "see ya" and yet, are still
Number23
May 2015
#98
"They refuse to even consider how he will implement any programs." For me, that's got to be the
Number23
May 2015
#109
Such innocous, positive OPs, nothing negative about any other candidate. Yet, can't be respected.
freshwest
May 2015
#121
Well, that was unfortunate. Though the Yanni suggestion was nothing short of inspired
Number23
May 2015
#122
How about people of color who still experience prejudice and discrimination...
DemocratSinceBirth
May 2015
#144
Black folks are far too accommodating. But this is what happens when we know the deck is stacked
Number23
Jun 2015
#192