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In reply to the discussion: Guys, after seeing the Sanders supporters show their royal hineys in CaliDem's OP [View all]Number23
(24,544 posts)163. The thing is, that's a lovely sentiment. It really is
A campaign focused on issues of inequality and the power of the wealthy, he argued, can convince people Democrats will fight for them again.
If we can get all of the downtrodden, stepped on wretches to be on the same side, then we'll be able to unite in ways that will have the powerful and rich quivering in fear. That's a great and grand way to look at things.
Unfortunately, it has very little bearing in reality, particularly in non-homogenous cultures where the wants and needs of one particular culture have been placed above all others and they have been brought up to believe in EVERY SINGLE MEASURABLE WAY that they are superior to everyone else.
This is why there are social and economic movements in this country and there are minority sub-groups in just about every one of them. The feminist movement. The gay rights movement. Hell, I've learned recently that the disability movement even has black and other minority subgroups. And this is not done as a way to "divide," this is a way for minorities and poc to try to ensure that our issues will even be ACKNOWLEDGED let alone addressed by the mainstream cultures which have traditionally not only NOT acknowledged or addressed our issues, but in some cases have been openly hostile to them.
I think it's kwassa that has posted some really amazing information on the things that black folks within the labor movement had to go through to even have their issues acknowledged. And these folks hollering about the New Deal forget that this was yet another in a long line of initiatives to address the poor and downtrodden that didn't even consider the unique circumstances of people of color.
So, if the efforts to address our stuff is considered "divisive" because we have all seen first, second, third and 52nd hand how our issues get ignored, minimized, dismissed or "absorbed" into other issues (where they are then subsequently ignored) then I'm okay with being divisive. Hopefully Sanders realizes this kind of talk only appeals to a very narrow type of supporter and is not a particularly effective strategy for winning over the Obama Coalition.
If we can get all of the downtrodden, stepped on wretches to be on the same side, then we'll be able to unite in ways that will have the powerful and rich quivering in fear. That's a great and grand way to look at things.
Unfortunately, it has very little bearing in reality, particularly in non-homogenous cultures where the wants and needs of one particular culture have been placed above all others and they have been brought up to believe in EVERY SINGLE MEASURABLE WAY that they are superior to everyone else.
This is why there are social and economic movements in this country and there are minority sub-groups in just about every one of them. The feminist movement. The gay rights movement. Hell, I've learned recently that the disability movement even has black and other minority subgroups. And this is not done as a way to "divide," this is a way for minorities and poc to try to ensure that our issues will even be ACKNOWLEDGED let alone addressed by the mainstream cultures which have traditionally not only NOT acknowledged or addressed our issues, but in some cases have been openly hostile to them.
I think it's kwassa that has posted some really amazing information on the things that black folks within the labor movement had to go through to even have their issues acknowledged. And these folks hollering about the New Deal forget that this was yet another in a long line of initiatives to address the poor and downtrodden that didn't even consider the unique circumstances of people of color.
So, if the efforts to address our stuff is considered "divisive" because we have all seen first, second, third and 52nd hand how our issues get ignored, minimized, dismissed or "absorbed" into other issues (where they are then subsequently ignored) then I'm okay with being divisive. Hopefully Sanders realizes this kind of talk only appeals to a very narrow type of supporter and is not a particularly effective strategy for winning over the Obama Coalition.
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Guys, after seeing the Sanders supporters show their royal hineys in CaliDem's OP [View all]
Number23
May 2015
OP
Perfectly said. And I forgot where one person enters the thread and said that Hillary's 87%
Number23
May 2015
#2
I saw JAG's reply to you on a week old thread and got so mad, I burst into tears and signed out.
freshwest
May 2015
#117
Show me a DUer tossing out the "Third Way" insult and I'll show you an individual that I will be
Number23
May 2015
#7
They HATE him--it's astounding, some of the vitriol. As they say, "But WAIT-there's MORE!"
MADem
May 2015
#101
OMGawd! The Turd Ways have set the SWP against the Messiah! Thanks, I needed the laugh.
freshwest
May 2015
#119
Thanks for what you said... And I found the post about confiscation... I've no problem with wealth
freshwest
Jun 2015
#181
Oh good Lord. Some people seriously have got nothing better to do with their boring lives...
Hekate
May 2015
#103
I don't care for these crazy "purity tests." People are either good people who want things
MADem
May 2015
#104
'The hostile anger in response is hardly reassuring, nor is it intended to be.'
freshwest
May 2015
#16
Snoop got trashed for being rich and saying he liked HRC because we need a woman's perspective.
DemocratSinceBirth
May 2015
#114
Not lost on me that Brodus and Bey ARE black. Not lost on me at all!
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jun 2015
#184
I remember that. I left when the attacks began. Sorry about it, should have been treated better.
freshwest
May 2015
#120
And there's a post on the front page right now with somebody "hurling" some letters at Obama
Number23
May 2015
#11
I am the same in regards with minorities who "vote against their interests" being Republicans.
Behind the Aegis
May 2015
#14
I had my fill on that on one of the many 'cat food commission' threads bashing Obama.
freshwest
May 2015
#17
I think the idea is that some of these folks on the "left" who purport to care about the downtrodden
Number23
May 2015
#24
Thank you for keeping it on course, as onpatrol did, and glad I missed a whitesplaining thread. n/t
freshwest
May 2015
#15
If only 20% of the electorate calls itself "liberal", then that's Sanders high watermark.
Tarheel_Dem
May 2015
#44
Dammit 1SBM, I've been asking the same questions that Mrs. 1SBM is asking. Bernie's been huffing &
Tarheel_Dem
May 2015
#152
+1. Just being the loudest brings you no reward. You get a lot of facetime on the teevee machine,
Tarheel_Dem
May 2015
#158
I didn't know about the primary thing. The Occupy thing got too Paulish for me. The coffins at the
freshwest
May 2015
#25
MADem always does "good analysis". And yes, Bernie was seeking a challenger for Obama in '12.
Tarheel_Dem
May 2015
#45
I know that you are a Hillary supporter so I'm so glad that you're in this thread
Number23
May 2015
#28
Unless Joe Biden announces, and given his standing in the polls, that seems unlikely, I am a......
Tarheel_Dem
May 2015
#46
He absolutely was a once in a lifetime candidate. In terms of my political life, I am absolutely
Number23
May 2015
#49
Yep. And so far, I haven't felt that "ground swell" for either of the current candidates
Number23
May 2015
#64
The black class divide is so offsneive. It's like counting on the latino vote like it's in the bag.
freshwest
May 2015
#81
She's not alone. I don't give a f**k about Edward Snowden, and neither do most of us.....
Tarheel_Dem
May 2015
#91
Trashed them both as they were created. Problem is, they won't stay put in those groups.
Tarheel_Dem
May 2015
#130
I kinda felt the same way watching Clinton supporters call Warren hopefuls "rapists"
Scootaloo
May 2015
#27
Did you make a wrong turn somewhere? The OP could not be more clear what the topic is about
Number23
May 2015
#29
Cornel West? He's a joke in this community now. He has alienated the people who got him to the....
Tarheel_Dem
May 2015
#66
That argument has been going on long before people were talking about Sanders
BainsBane
May 2015
#87
The weird thing is o'malley and Clinton both have pretty bad form on race
shaayecanaan
Jun 2015
#209
Clinton's support from black people was so strong that there are black folks to this DAY that have
Number23
May 2015
#33
I agree with you that all the democratic party candidates need to up their games
lovemydog
May 2015
#38
Minorities are on the bottom of the 99%, if that isn't a reason, we're sold
orpupilofnature57
May 2015
#51
I guess that person somehow felt that I didn't have enough examples of ignorant, offensive, clueless
Number23
May 2015
#68
Your coming with facts ? or antics ? it's not our fault, don't kill the meassengers .
orpupilofnature57
May 2015
#69
And all I have to say is that I sleep pretty well at night knowing that you and the "others" you
Number23
May 2015
#73
Where did I say " Educated Black People " your delusional, most of You
orpupilofnature57
May 2015
#74
You made it racial the second you came in here with your idiocy about "minorities"
Number23
May 2015
#77
No, when someone starts spouting about oligarchs and the New World Order, I'm pretty sure
Number23
May 2015
#164
I wonder how they'll react when it is discovered people are claiming he is a dual citizen of Israel.
Behind the Aegis
May 2015
#169
All concerns about any positions on which Sanders might not conform to the standard approved view
BainsBane
May 2015
#171
Twenty seven percent of African Americans live below the poverty line as do ...
DemocratSinceBirth
May 2015
#111
It was odd when that poster suggested all people of color are mired in poverty.
DemocratSinceBirth
May 2015
#165
It appears that he would much rather race to GD and whine that he's been persecuted for his
Number23
May 2015
#108
There are people in GD screaming at Hillary supporters for saying things like "stop acting as though
Number23
May 2015
#123
Found this cartoon...sums it up pretty well, especially given some recent threads...
Behind the Aegis
May 2015
#133
I've never noticed his posts or his name at all until now. And yeah, I wonder if he can delete now
Number23
May 2015
#143
Don't come back here again, please. We don't need your macho "done" and "see ya" crap
Number23
May 2015
#96
I think Hillary and her supporters realize that they need black support for her to have a chance
Cali_Democrat
May 2015
#88
Some are Anti-Hillary, I've criticized the President on issues, I don't
orpupilofnature57
May 2015
#89
You were asked to not come back to this forum. You replied "done" and "see ya" and yet, are still
Number23
May 2015
#98
"They refuse to even consider how he will implement any programs." For me, that's got to be the
Number23
May 2015
#109
Such innocous, positive OPs, nothing negative about any other candidate. Yet, can't be respected.
freshwest
May 2015
#121
Well, that was unfortunate. Though the Yanni suggestion was nothing short of inspired
Number23
May 2015
#122
How about people of color who still experience prejudice and discrimination...
DemocratSinceBirth
May 2015
#144
Black folks are far too accommodating. But this is what happens when we know the deck is stacked
Number23
Jun 2015
#192