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93. What if

Sat Jun 13, 2015, 03:36 PM

Jun 2015

Beyonce, for instance, decided she was going to identify as a white woman?(I don't know why she'd want to, but let's say she did) It was either Bravenak or just another gen who brought up the point in one of the other threads about this woman that black people would have a more difficult time choosing their own identity. It's chosen for them by society based on the color of their skin.Dolezol can un-braid her hair, let her tan fade and be a white woman again. Not so easy the other way.

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Rachel Dolezal's pathological privilege [View all] noiretextatique Jun 2015 OP

There's clearly a backstory, but if she self-identifies as African-American now... Cooley Hurd Jun 2015 #1

Really? marym625 Jun 2015 #3

How do you self-identify with a sex of which you are not? Cooley Hurd Jun 2015 #5

I don't think there is a correlation marym625 Jun 2015 #16

Of course you don't... Cooley Hurd Jun 2015 #17

Nice. marym625 Jun 2015 #32

Gender dysphoria is a recognized medical condition Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #23

bruce jenner experienced life as a male noiretextatique Jun 2015 #29

I don't think it compares either. Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #34

thanks, Starry Messenger noiretextatique Jun 2015 #124

And DSM hasn't nailed this one down yet? Cooley Hurd Jun 2015 #57

To be fair, so is body dysmorphic disorder. n/t Act_of_Reparation Jun 2015 #96

That's true... Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #98

You're probably right about that. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2015 #99

Sometimes I wonder if the "software" explains the hyper-masculine front Number23 Jun 2015 #108

Those are all good points. Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #122

Exactly. Can I become transracial the next time someone gives me the side eye when I'm walking Number23 Jun 2015 #131

LOL Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #142

i agree...clearly i do not understand noiretextatique Jun 2015 #125

The anger at you is from people that are trying to deny that this country's violent, depraved Number23 Jun 2015 #132

i really think she has some deep-seated issues noiretextatique Jun 2015 #136

Girl, you gotta see this selfie of Ms. Rachel Number23 Jun 2015 #139

LOL. I was shows those photos to Mrs. 1SBM ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #154

Jokes on you! JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #157

Heh. I get the feeling me and Mrs. 1SB would get along like a house on fire. Number23 Jun 2015 #167

Jezebel has a piece on this BainsBane Jun 2015 #189

How did she get her hair to curl like that? gollygee Jun 2015 #191

My hair curls naturally. I don't know. BainsBane Jun 2015 #192

Oh I wasn't thinking of the picture with the braids gollygee Jun 2015 #193

Damn ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #153

Same. lovemydog Jun 2015 #175

This ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #152

With all due respect JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #31

With all due respect... Cooley Hurd Jun 2015 #59

why? she is not african-american noiretextatique Jun 2015 #6

Do you feel the same way about Caitlyn Jenner? Cooley Hurd Jun 2015 #7

as far as i know she's not claiming to be black noiretextatique Jun 2015 #9

An oppressed minority... Cooley Hurd Jun 2015 #11

no, it is not noiretextatique Jun 2015 #18

Wow... Cooley Hurd Jun 2015 #19

doubled down...my ass noiretextatique Jun 2015 #22

Yawn.. Cooley Hurd Jun 2015 #26

I have seldom seen someone burn so many calories pretending not to understand a really simple Number23 Jun 2015 #110

there is no hope noiretextatique Jun 2015 #119

I'm thinking you agree with the block? JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #121

yes...totally off-topic, and totally hostile while off-topic noiretextatique Jun 2015 #126

Fine with me. Number23 Jun 2015 #133

No, it's not marym625 Jun 2015 #24

Was Kaitlyn Jenner "Lying"... Cooley Hurd Jun 2015 #30

wow marym625 Jun 2015 #41

this person is hell-bent on noiretextatique Jun 2015 #47

Yeah, I can see that marym625 Jun 2015 #56

There's an agenda there JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #65

+1000 marym625 Jun 2015 #67

I've seen the reverse, too, though--a lot of "She only pretended to be black to gain ADVANTAGE"--and MADem Jun 2015 #104

it really seems that she needs some help noiretextatique Jun 2015 #117

I hope she gets it. MADem Jun 2015 #144

well noiretextatique Jun 2015 #111

and it's Caitlyn� marym625 Jun 2015 #45

Group Host - You need to back away from this thread JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #54

OK. Cooley Hurd Jun 2015 #61

I'm very quiet in the MIRT group JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #64

Yeah... no shit. Cooley Hurd Jun 2015 #68

BT, Number23, on patrol, bravenak. FYI JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #77

I'm perfectly fine with her blocking you. bravenak Jun 2015 #80

You rock marym625 Jun 2015 #84

Here he goes JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #86

I got one too. bravenak Jun 2015 #87

See what he said about MIRT? JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #88

wow. marym625 Jun 2015 #89

I did see that. bravenak Jun 2015 #90

More JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #92

I have never seen you be out of control. Not one time!! bravenak Jun 2015 #95

JAG, that is not you at all. n/t freshwest Jun 2015 #151

Thanks you! JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #158

The disruption freaked me out. It's not what I expect at the AA group, always been an oasis to me. freshwest Jun 2015 #162

You! sheshe2 Jun 2015 #169

I cannot believe this mess. n/t freshwest Jun 2015 #150

White Privilege is thinking that every opinion you have belongs in the African American group CreekDog Jun 2015 #72

What does that silly comment even mean? Cooley Hurd Jun 2015 #76

Paging lovemydog! Lovemydog please pick up the black MLK Misuse and Appropriation phone Number23 Jun 2015 #114

LOL lovemydog Jun 2015 #171

I knew you'd get a kick out of that foolishness!!! Number23 Jun 2015 #182

Okay, I just finished reading the thread. lovemydog Jun 2015 #173

"And sometimes I learn more about hair." Number23 Jun 2015 #183

Thanks, so are you. lovemydog Jun 2015 #185

right...we should be more grateful noiretextatique Jun 2015 #128

It is an american pathology heaven05 Jun 2015 #20

Agreed. This thread is all about labels... Cooley Hurd Jun 2015 #21

actual black people are being shot down in the streets noiretextatique Jun 2015 #25

"I have no time for self-serving, privileged MALES who want to play woman to massage..." Cooley Hurd Jun 2015 #35

reality sucks noiretextatique Jun 2015 #37

this country is all about labels heaven05 Jun 2015 #40

You speak the truth marym625 Jun 2015 #85

I agree about her job JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #94

Because race and ethnicity are more like, say, nationality than they are like gender Scootaloo Jun 2015 #82

That's a good point in Native American JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #91

I can't imagine her being effective at her job now, so I think she will have to go. Travis_0004 Jun 2015 #176

That's not how it works. nt MrScorpio Jun 2015 #180

I would think that they can fire her for this. marym625 Jun 2015 #2

given the depth and breadth of her deception noiretextatique Jun 2015 #12

I agree marym625 Jun 2015 #28

My understanding, which might be incorrect, is that when she applied to Howard... tishaLA Jun 2015 #58

I posted an article somewhere on this thread marym625 Jun 2015 #62

I actually have no problem with her NAACP stuff except tishaLA Jun 2015 #73

I agree marym625 Jun 2015 #75

exactly...the NAACP does not discriminate noiretextatique Jun 2015 #115

While Howard is an HBC, lots of white and Asian people go there. MADem Jun 2015 #97

New thread in GD JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #102

OMG, that only makes it MORE confusing to me! MADem Jun 2015 #103

MAD, she does say that she was abused as a child. But her parents have categorically denied that Number23 Jun 2015 #118

I saw a list of people to play her in the movie already....!!! MADem Jun 2015 #129

Oh god, PLEASE not Lindsay Lohan!! Why is she even famous anymore??! She made three movies Number23 Jun 2015 #137

you know it is coming noiretextatique Jun 2015 #130

yep...she could have gone to Howard noiretextatique Jun 2015 #127

I don't think she lied to get in to Howard. She just didn't say. MADem Jun 2015 #134

you may be right: people probably just assumed she was biracial noiretextatique Jun 2015 #138

It is actually illegal to consider race when hiring BainsBane Jun 2015 #168

To me, it's baffling gwheezie Jun 2015 #4

i get that...i was attracted to italian culture noiretextatique Jun 2015 #8

The weakest analogy I've witnessed on DU in quite a while... Cooley Hurd Jun 2015 #13

it is a PERFECT analogy noiretextatique Jun 2015 #33

You're really working hard at being abusive up in here, you know. MADem Jun 2015 #106

This message was self-deleted by its author noiretextatique Jun 2015 #109

NO NOT YOU--I was talking at the guy giving you shit!!!!!!!!! MADem Jun 2015 #135

so sorry, friend noiretextatique Jun 2015 #140

When would I ever come at you like that? Especially in here!!! You're my heart!!! MADem Jun 2015 #143

that one had me so pissed noiretextatique Jun 2015 #145

I love this group. MADem Jun 2015 #146

LOL noiretextatique Jun 2015 #147

I didn't expect that kind of disruption in this group at all. I come here to get away from it! freshwest Jun 2015 #165

Did she?? Cooley Hurd Jun 2015 #10

she took a scholarship noiretextatique Jun 2015 #36

Do you have definitive proof she sought to deceive to profit from the deception? Cooley Hurd Jun 2015 #52

I see your point gwheezie Jun 2015 #46

Here's a pretty good article marym625 Jun 2015 #14

Is one who is transgender and redefining their self-identity a "sickness"? Cooley Hurd Jun 2015 #15

No, not even close marym625 Jun 2015 #39

How, in God's name, can you even THINK you know what's happening in her head? Cooley Hurd Jun 2015 #42

and you do? marym625 Jun 2015 #50

I don't need to. I am not accusing her of anything... Cooley Hurd Jun 2015 #53

What? marym625 Jun 2015 #60

No, it's as rooted in reality as it gets... Cooley Hurd Jun 2015 #71

What if stage left Jun 2015 #93

stop making shit up noiretextatique Jun 2015 #43

Your OP was all about "making shit up". Cooley Hurd Jun 2015 #48

remain stunned noiretextatique Jun 2015 #113

He was removed from the group JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #116

if she was actually black and looked like that, couldn't she not identify as black at will too? yurbud Jun 2015 #27

what if one day there's gene therapy for racial re-assignment? yurbud Jun 2015 #38

that would be interesting noiretextatique Jun 2015 #44

it's funny how we have a way of thinking about one thing that doesn't transfer to others... yurbud Jun 2015 #156

If I tell you I believe I'm a Gnome JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #159

that's where she crossed a line. If you want to dress like a leprechaun and tell people you're yurbud Jun 2015 #170

i have to go to work noiretextatique Jun 2015 #49

Please do... Cooley Hurd Jun 2015 #55

It won't be JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #63

No one has diminished anyone... Cooley Hurd Jun 2015 #66

Hmmmm JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #69

You are totally missing the point of what I'm saying... Cooley Hurd Jun 2015 #70

n/t JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #74

Use DU's Block Mail function: freshwest Jun 2015 #163

I did JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #166

But didn't DU go through giratons concerning cultural appropriation (theft) Peregrine Jun 2015 #78

Fair point n/t JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #83

I think the reason for appropriation is salient to the discussion. MADem Jun 2015 #105

sadly i cannot reply to you noiretextatique Jun 2015 #148

Interesting gopiscrap Jun 2015 #51

I admit, I'm fascinated and horrified by this story. Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #79

Same here marym625 Jun 2015 #81

New thread in GD - one of her brothers spoke up JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #100

I saw that article earlier, I will check out the thread. Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #101

plus one brother claims the she's turned the brother noiretextatique Jun 2015 #112

The ultimate white privilege angle is the number of people RUNNING to excuse her behavior Number23 Jun 2015 #107

add to that: everyone she conned noiretextatique Jun 2015 #120

And they will be known FOREVER as the NAACP chapter that had a white woman with a coily wig Number23 Jun 2015 #123

LOL noiretextatique Jun 2015 #141

This message was self-deleted by its author freshwest Jun 2015 #149

I have to say ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #155

He posted in ATA JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #160

Since he's banned, he'll claim his 1A rights are violated! Her, not so much! freshwest Jun 2015 #164

I hadn't noticed him before lovemydog Jun 2015 #177

noire, I just don't know what to make of it all. Solly Mack Jun 2015 #161

Great post and great thread. lovemydog Jun 2015 #172

My wife and I just watched the Today interview with her parents. PatrickforO Jun 2015 #174

Apparently, the forgiveness that her parents are referencing ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #181

Rachael's parents are creationist fundamentalists who were missionaries in South Africa. kwassa Jun 2015 #186

There's serious trauma there JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #187

and serious dysfunction as a result. kwassa Jun 2015 #190

She resigned as President of Spokane NAACP. lovemydog Jun 2015 #178

Frankly, I really don't know anything else to say about her than what already been said... MrScorpio Jun 2015 #179

So apparently while at Howard she sued the school for racial discrimination fishwax Jun 2015 #184

Jesus. BainsBane Jun 2015 #188

She's a grifter. Shameless, and not in a good way. n/t freshwest Jun 2015 #195

To be honest SnakeEyes Jun 2015 #194

She needs to take her costume off n/t JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #196

It is a social construct that allows people to kill you noiretextatique Jun 2015 #197