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BainsBane

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21. Speaking for everyone

Reply to 1StrongBlackMan (Original post)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 03:41 PM

Jun 2015

How many times have people here tried to delegimiate someone's opinion by insisting they are "trying to speak for everyone," when the person only gave their opinion? Now they claim Bernie speaks for everyone. Well no, he doesn't. Clearly his message has resonance with them, but they are not everyone. The assumption that their needs and concerns are universal is in fact what privilege and entitlement is all about. I would bet that a person of color would be far less likely to presume that their concerns are universal. I certainly know that I would never presume such a thing. Yet those folks not only presume, they refuse to hear that others see things differently.
If you don't agree, you are designated as the enemy, allied with corporate power and Goldman Sachs.
It is precisely that approach that dooms their efforts.

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This gets so tiresome ... [View all] 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 OP

I don't get this either. leftofcool Jun 2015 #1

That's just it ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #4

Absolutely, and that goes for everyone else BainsBane Jun 2015 #5

I at least know I don't get it SusanCalvin Jun 2015 #15

Please see my posts below. JDPriestly Jun 2015 #34

This message was self-deleted by its author Nay Jun 2015 #62

Bernie was speaking to African-American civil rights issues back in the 1960s when Hillary JDPriestly Jun 2015 #35

Hillary was 16 years old through most of 1964. Thank you for giving her at least some credit pnwmom Jun 2015 #82

People will feel what ever they do.... daleanime Jun 2015 #2

? leftofcool Jun 2015 #3

Clarify? daleanime Jun 2015 #6

But this does not address the OP's point leftofcool Jun 2015 #7

But that's just it.... daleanime Jun 2015 #10

This is a safe haven group for African American members and their allies BainsBane Jun 2015 #14

Have not denied that right in any fashion.... daleanime Jun 2015 #16

You are placing an artificial division between feelings and views/thinking. BainsBane Jun 2015 #9

And telling people how they should feel..... daleanime Jun 2015 #12

No one is telling you how to feel BainsBane Jun 2015 #13

...... daleanime Jun 2015 #17

Speaking about feelings does not shut down a conversation. kwassa Jun 2015 #18

1+ ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #20

I try to stay out of those threads JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #8

I hear you, 1StrongBlackMan. sheshe2 Jun 2015 #11

Not to mention...these aren't fresh daisies... onpatrol98 Jun 2015 #19

Please see my post 29. Bernie was fighting for African-American civil rights in the 1960s JDPriestly Jun 2015 #32

What I'd like to see. qwlauren35 Jun 2015 #51

Yes, they were all just in Las Vegas telling us how azmom Jun 2015 #54

Democrats generally woo the Mexican-American vote, but you I have noticed that no one JDPriestly Jun 2015 #55

Please. qwlauren35 Jun 2015 #56

Here it is. I feel certain he will say much more on this. JDPriestly Jun 2015 #61

So would I. Admiral Loinpresser Jun 2015 #57

Damn. Obama didn't even do that. azmom Jun 2015 #59

This message was self-deleted by its author BainsBane Jun 2015 #63

We know. qwlauren35 Jun 2015 #66

Hillary is younger than Bernie and was a teenager living with her Republican parents. pnwmom Jun 2015 #83

Speaking for everyone BainsBane Jun 2015 #21

And divisive ... don't forget that ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #22

Except that Bernie Sanders was active in the civil rights movement way back when he JDPriestly Jun 2015 #29

This isn't 1963 BainsBane Jun 2015 #33

I understand and apologize if I have offended anyone. JDPriestly Jun 2015 #37

JD, with all due respect, ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #43

Yes, the economic primacy idea seems closely aligned with snpsmom Jun 2015 #53

I don't know if you read Jamaal510 Jun 2015 #23

Do you have a link? BainsBane Jun 2015 #24

... Jamaal510 Jun 2015 #25

Thanks BainsBane Jun 2015 #28

I would like to see the quote DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #47

Did you get my PM? BainsBane Jun 2015 #49

There's the arrogance I've been getting at. Bernie & his supporters hold some strange views for.... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #77

Doh! Said you were race baiting? Which race, exactly? Getting more surreal all the time here. n/t freshwest Jun 2015 #90

Posting a picture of a McGovern rally lead to conclusions of "race baiting" & "hippie punching". Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #91

Oh, that thread was something else... Found it from another by the same author. freshwest Jun 2015 #92

Yes. Saint Ronnie has a lot to answer for, and so does the one-meme-fits-all candidate running for Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #93

But he marched in the March on Washington 50 years ago!!one1! Number23 Jun 2015 #85

Yes, and I've since seen the interview BainsBane Jun 2015 #87

We don't even need to get that far in the weeds... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #46

Ohmygosh: freshwest Jun 2015 #70

I couldn't believe it myself Jamaal510 Jun 2015 #72

I hope this is not true. Would ask a Bernie supporter but after being told we need to "woo" him bettyellen Jun 2015 #75

EDITED. This part was even worse, to me: freshwest Jun 2015 #76

You were told that YOU need to "woo" BainsBane Jun 2015 #88

Do you have a link? JDPriestly Jun 2015 #27

MD, NC, and VA JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #31

I will be watching his sojourn to Las Vegas, tomorrow ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #44

The fact that the early primaries are in mostly white states is a problem. JDPriestly Jun 2015 #50

"Insulting sympathetic white people... Not a good way to get support and votes" bettyellen Jun 2015 #67

Reality bites. JDPriestly Jun 2015 #68

And you still haven't listened to anyone here- or you'd know how ironic your last little lecture bettyellen Jun 2015 #69

You don't need to woo Bernie. He is already won over. JDPriestly Jun 2015 #73

Thanks for the instructions, boss. Not wooing over here today... bettyellen Jun 2015 #74

What policy proposalsl would you like to hear? JDPriestly Jun 2015 #89

Very informative with a sweeping dash of noblesse oblige tossed in for flavor. Number23 Jun 2015 #86

+1. There's that "privelege" thing again. 'If you speak meekly to a cop, he won't shoot you.... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #78

Hey! Why didn't POC think of this before? And this is why it's called bettyellen Jun 2015 #79

Bernie immediately responded to the assassinations in South Carolina. I'm sure you saw it JDPriestly Jun 2015 #60

Bernie was among the first to address the police use of excessive force in Ferguson. JDPriestly Jun 2015 #26

The poster didn't say the article said he didn't care about African Americans BainsBane Jun 2015 #30

I'm tired of some of the canned responses JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #38

Are those AAs job ready? JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #36

Clinton is suggesting tax benefits for companies that offer apprenticeships. JDPriestly Jun 2015 #39

What if the trades were taught in high school? JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #40

Thanks. This is an important issue. JDPriestly Jun 2015 #41

Kicking this thread because it needs to be read again and again! leftofcool Jun 2015 #42

I would so love for people to start by reading ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #45

HIStory lesson./NT DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #48

So I hear you are being lectured too, again. Sorry. Or in this case, to some extent, ignored. randys1 Jun 2015 #52

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #58

+1 lovemydog Jun 2015 #64

+1 JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #65

Can I just add my +1 also? Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #80

Sorry about that... I feel often that I do that and then delete. n/t freshwest Jun 2015 #71

You know that NPR interview with Sanders BainsBane Jun 2015 #81

You know heaven05 Jun 2015 #84