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135. Many working class whites believe that...

Sun Jun 28, 2015, 09:19 PM

Jun 2015

Many working class white males believe that their woes can be attributed to Latinos, legal and undocumented, taking their jobs, and sucking their taxes in welfare dollars when they don't or can't work.

If throwing them under the bus is the cost for their support is it worth it?

Many working class white males believe that African Americans are slothful and on welfare and those that have jobs probably benefitted from affirmative action.

If throwing them under the bus is the cost for their support is worth it?

Many working class white males believe there is something intrinsically wrong with glbtq people.

If throwing them under the bus is the cost for their support is it worth it?

To paraphrase Benjamin Franklin Barack Obama has gifted us "a winning coalition if we can keep it."

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Four ways Martin Luther King Jr. wanted to battle inequality [View all] azmom Jun 2015 OP

He had to get white America to admit that separate toilets were stupid first - and then . . . JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #1

Yes, you are right. azmom Jun 2015 #2

He won't have me - unless he wins the Primary JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #3

I don't know much about O'malley. I'll start azmom Jun 2015 #4

Go to our group here JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #5

But is he taking corporate money? azmom Jun 2015 #6

Here's a top view JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #7

Oh and he's going to have to JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #8

How will the candidate NOT taking corporate money compete ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #10

How much do you think is really needed. Not 2.5 billion? azmom Jun 2015 #12

I don't have a figure; but I know two things ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #18

We Bernie supporters are anticipating a huge fight by the azmom Jun 2015 #21

O.K., but you're going to have to give a little and understand that Bernie may need to take PAC Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2015 #155

I wouldn't be angry for taking PAC money ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #167

Just please don't vote for Hilary azmom Jun 2015 #13

I am undecided. And won't decide until March 21, 2016 (the day before the AZ primary date) ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #19

I missed this post from you before, but I have to say that I am extremely uncomfortable with someone Number23 Jun 2015 #75

I understand completely and I apologize. azmom Jun 2015 #80

Understand, you don't need anyone's permission to do anything positive ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #90

Yes, I see the mistake I made. azmom Jun 2015 #92

Peculiar? No. Racist? YES!! The Clintons were absolutely despicable in 2008. I want my black people Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2015 #157

I really like O'Malley marym625 Jun 2015 #32

Thanks. I'm going to check out the O'Malley group. lovemydog Jun 2015 #14

My former governor. He wasn't perfect. He made some mistakes, but I think he has a better chance... Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2015 #154

And LS JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #156

O'Malley? shaayecanaan Jul 2015 #180

TELL IT, girl. TELL IT Number23 Jun 2015 #9

That's interesting. I was taught in school that azmom Jun 2015 #11

I'm from Rochester NY originally JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #16

Lincoln's idea was a sound one and Douglas had met him. They may have wanted to do this: freshwest Jun 2015 #141

Of course MLK was focused on race. And race in the United States encompasses a great many Number23 Jun 2015 #47

I don't think many folks making this argument JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #15

I understand what you are saying, azmom Jun 2015 #20

Re Chavez - are you familiar with Ralph Abernathy? JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #23

If it comes down to O'Malley and Hillary azmom Jun 2015 #24

Girl, I have said that same thing so many times my fingers REFUSE to type it again Number23 Jun 2015 #49

You are right. We need to tackle the social issues. azmom Jun 2015 #88

My concern/fear is that Bernie (and some of his supporters) is/are unable, or unwilling ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #95

Man, I'm going to be chased out of the Bernie azmom Jun 2015 #99

Yeah ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #100

Great post, 1SB Number23 Jun 2015 #112

Stuff like this needs to be spoken about in the open. azmom Jun 2015 #116

I could not agree with you more. Number23 Jun 2015 #124

Racism in workers rights movement is legendary. Unions were incredibly racist! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2015 #159

You know that and I know that Number23 Jul 2015 #163

WORD! heaven05 Jun 2015 #59

I didn't get it until now. azmom Jun 2015 #84

Oh boy, you are so getting kicked out of the Sanders group now. bettyellen Jul 2015 #160

Oh noes. I'll be forum less. azmom Jul 2015 #161

Unfortunately the founders there seem to be fixated on hating Hillary (and often, Obama) rather than bettyellen Jul 2015 #162

I just have to high five this post again. Because it is simply that good. Number23 Jun 2015 #111

I'm kind Of done with the nonsense you know? JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #113

That's what I've always seen here too gollygee Jun 2015 #17

Don'tcha know ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #22

Racism is alive and well in DU, no doubt about that. azmom Jun 2015 #25

Yes it is; but that is not what I'm talking about ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #26

Can you explain the concept of "whataboutmeism"? azmom Jun 2015 #27

That would be taking a message about or directed to a specific group ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #28

Ahhhh yes. So in relation to MlK azmom Jun 2015 #29

Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #31

I understand now. Did you read my post azmom Jun 2015 #33

Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #34

There has to be a way to unite. azmom Jun 2015 #35

He never did JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #30

But that ... who the trash collectors were ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #36

I never knew that. I'm sure many don't. Like azmom Jun 2015 #37

I'm getting a better picture now. Thank you azmom Jun 2015 #38

This is one of the purposes of the AA Group ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #41

Well, I thank you again for azmom Jun 2015 #44

You are correct! JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #40

Truth! ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #42

Latinos too. Look what's happening In Arizona. azmom Jun 2015 #69

What part of Arizona are you in? 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #73

I live in Queen Creek. Maricopa county. Home of Joe Arpaio. azmom Jun 2015 #82

Ahhh ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #83

It's still a bit rural and racist as hell. azmom Jun 2015 #85

I was going to say ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #86

It is that. My daughter is 20 and she can't wait azmom Jun 2015 #87

Maybe it's a function of age. Everyone I knew realized those were black sanitation workers, everyone freshwest Jun 2015 #153

The HELL you say! Number23 Jun 2015 #50

hell to the no!!!!! n/t JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #62

thank you heaven05 Jun 2015 #39

In President Obama's powerful, moving eulogy today he said the following... Spazito Jun 2015 #43

Yeah, this here ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #46

I find it difficult not to get frustrated at the lack of understanding... Spazito Jun 2015 #53

I suspect for most it's not ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #56

Yes, good point, I have seen that attitude far too often when discussing this to... Spazito Jun 2015 #58

Socialism, as I understand it, opposes capitalism. azmom Jun 2015 #45

I'm sure that there is someone here azmom Jun 2015 #48

Start here: azmom Jun 2015 #51

Bernie also wants to get money for us by azmom Jun 2015 #55

Is that what he did when he was a mayor? JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #77

I'd like to add NOLALady Jun 2015 #102

That is very powerful. Who wrote that? azmom Jun 2015 #103

Another Wonder by Stevie... NOLALady Jun 2015 #105

Nothing but truth. We have some big fucking problems azmom Jun 2015 #106

You can share this NOLALady Jun 2015 #107

Thank you. azmom Jun 2015 #108

what about racism. heaven05 Jun 2015 #54

He wants to tackle that too. azmom Jun 2015 #61

yeah fine heaven05 Jun 2015 #64

Bernie knows he can lose the black vote over this strategy. azmom Jun 2015 #65

I'm not sticking with anyone heaven05 Jun 2015 #66

It is frustrating. azmom Jun 2015 #81

JAG being a jackass here! JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #79

I think all three have the same position on that. azmom Jun 2015 #94

Then why isn't it on his web site? JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #98

truth heaven05 Jun 2015 #101

The heterosexual white working class male... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #122

The heterosexual white working white male azmom Jun 2015 #125

Barack Obama has won twice without the white working class male-Joe the Dumber Plumber. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #126

Good Point ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #145

I/we should be careful... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #146

True ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #148

There is only one Barack Obama azmom Jun 2015 #127

Can I speak to these things - a few? JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #78

I think all three candidates are talking about the importance azmom Jun 2015 #89

Martin O'Malley has told me specifically what he wants to do JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #96

Someone in this forum posted a great post that says that for many white Americans Number23 Jun 2015 #52

Interesting and rings true heaven05 Jun 2015 #57

No, you have it all wrong. Bernie is a socialist. azmom Jun 2015 #60

Ummm... Spazito Jun 2015 #63

I see what you are saying. azmom Jun 2015 #67

With all due respect, it is a very bad strategy n/t Spazito Jun 2015 #68

Read this, it was in the Bernie Group azmom Jun 2015 #70

Forgive me but I see nothing in the article that is relevent to our discussion... Spazito Jun 2015 #71

You are right. I misread something. azmom Jun 2015 #72

Amen! greatauntoftriplets Jun 2015 #109

Barack Obama has given us a formula to win without the working class white male.. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #123

Barack " the man" is what held azmom Jun 2015 #128

The data suggests elsewise DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #129

I voted for Obama and was looking azmom Jun 2015 #130

All I will say, amiga, is if I was building a coalition... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #131

I would too. That's a great message azmom Jun 2015 #132

If you remember, it was Hillary who was the rock star among Latinos in 2008. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #133

Nothing has been the same since the economy crashed. azmom Jun 2015 #134

Many working class whites believe that... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #135

Real change has been painfully slow. If we can rebuild the coalition, and azmom Jun 2015 #136

He has to win the election first... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #137

It's fucking risky. azmom Jun 2015 #138

And this article is on Bernies BetonBernie site azmom Jun 2015 #139

and you can repeat all those points and make them about poor single moms- or competing with women bettyellen Jul 2015 #164

No we don't BainsBane Jun 2015 #152

You are the only person in this thread talking about Bernie Sanders. Number23 Jun 2015 #74

I am trying to advocate for Bernie. I'm just azmom Jun 2015 #93

why are you talking about Bernie Sanders in reply to that post ? do you think it's ok to be racist JI7 Jun 2015 #76

No. I don't believe anyone should be racist. azmom Jun 2015 #97

and yet you are worried about offending racist whites JI7 Jun 2015 #110

I hate to butt in on a subthread. Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #114

You are Union and a socialist, but not azmom Jun 2015 #117

I have a long response about that here: Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #118

You made some valid points. I can respect azmom Jun 2015 #120

Hillary says it BainsBane Jun 2015 #151

Skinner knows more about politics than I do. azmom Jul 2015 #168

Yes, I read Sanders statement BainsBane Jul 2015 #169

I agree with you. There are many factors azmom Jul 2015 #170

Thank you ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #171

Apology means JACK without action, and I am not picking on Bernie here, I am picking on randys1 Jul 2015 #172

"He just can't say it in his speeches cause that would alienate the racist Union man, cause ... bettyellen Jul 2015 #166

It's true. I'm latina so i qualify as a POC and I see the same thing. azmom Jun 2015 #91

I hear many white liberals especially make this false claim. It seems as though it absolves them Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2015 #158

WTF NO NO NO he did NOT focus on economic justice AT ALL in comparison to what his life work randys1 Jul 2015 #173

I have to leave for the weekend. I enjoyed talking azmom Jun 2015 #104

Two points... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #115

The whole world is waking up and everyone is becoming more azmom Jun 2015 #119

1917 BainsBane Jun 2015 #140

Democratic socialism is what I seek. azmom Jun 2015 #142

Then don't talking about people being fed up with capitalism BainsBane Jun 2015 #143

yes, if people were serious they would start at lower offices JI7 Jun 2015 #144

+1 JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #150

If I understand you correctly, then yes, a bunch of capitalists (so called liberal whites supporting randys1 Jul 2015 #175

That is not Marx's definition of capitalism BainsBane Jul 2015 #176

That too, my bad, you are right, money off of money and exploiting labor, either way we got randys1 Jul 2015 #177

I'm doing fine BainsBane Jul 2015 #178

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #147

That's an interesting link BB JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #149

And because the FBI paid him to do it. I have NO doubt about that randys1 Jul 2015 #174

Please read this azmom Jun 2015 #121

and go back and read the responses- how many are slamming Obama? Hillary? Maybe half. bettyellen Jul 2015 #165

The slamming of Obama and Holder is really something to behold. randys1 Jul 2015 #179