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intheflow

(28,442 posts)
Sun Aug 9, 2015, 12:00 AM Aug 2015

White ally here asking for an opinion on the BLM/Sanders protests. [View all]

Really, asking for opinions, insights, reflections, or whatever you have to say on the matter. You can't see color on DU unless someone self-identifies, but I'd guess the majority of people in this forum are black Americans. Since I can't see a poster's color, I want to try to hear what some DUers of color think about the protest in Seattle more clearly than sifting through the majority of white voices on DU. I understand your opinions/thoughts/insights are your own, you don't speak for your whole race any more than I speak for mine. But here are my questions; answer what you want, any or all of them.


  • Why do you think protesters targeting Sanders and not Clinton or any Republican?

  • Is there a central organizing force behind the BLM movement, or are chapters (for lack of a better word) being formed locally and acting independently under the rubric of BLM because it's a nationally recognized phrase/movement? I ask this because I've read more than once that the "real" BLM organizers don't support protesting Sanders, but I can't find any posts from any group claiming to be BLM actually saying this.

  • If these are local movements, are they spontaneous, or are they off-shoots of local racial justice organizations? I think what I'm trying to figure out is, are they being lead by seasoned/trained community organizers or by people/young people new to the struggle? I ask this because I've worked as a community organizer and given Sanders' history of working for fair housing and socialist views, it seems like he should be the frontrunner for people seeking more equity, at least economically - which is such a huge component of the social construction of racism in the US.

  • In your opinion, are these protests primarily unfocused and born out of anger, or do you think the protesters believe one candidate should be held accountable for solving 500 years of socially constructed racism? My apologies for the word "unfocused" in my question, because I know the anger is real, but as one who studies histories, I understand there are movements born out of reactionary anger from societal repression (the Stonewall riots, and of course, the initial BLM organizing around Trayvon Martin's killing) and those born out of intentional planning (Nat Turner, NAACP, and the Black Panthers). So I guess what I'm asking is, do you think there's a targeted strategy behind the protests?

I ask these questions in all sincerity, as a 50-something white woman who has worked in black communities and is well-versed in US racial history, but who is still really freakin' white and privileged day-to-day. The crux is, I'm trying to wrap my head around the historical and contemporary context of what's happening but am probably too deeply mired in my own racist white baggage to have a clue about what's really happening in black communities.

My intention is to listen, because I know that black voices matter as much as black lives, so unless asked a direct question, I will limit my participation in the rest of this thread.

What are you thoughts on all of this, in light of a second Sanders protest today?

Thanks,
itf

Full disclosure: I am a Sanders supporter, but I listened to him in Denver just a few days after Charlestown and walked away feeling cold because I so desperately wanted him to talk about racism, and particularly, the massacre. I think he's the best candidate because he's the only candidate who seems to have a clue what the real economy is like for millions of Americans, but it was a sore disappointment not to hear him say anything at all about Charlestown. He did talk a bit about police profiling and killing young black men, which was at least some acknowledgement of racial reality. But it didn't go deep enough by a long shot.

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The AA member who has tried time and time again BainsBane Aug 2015 #1
Thank you. intheflow Aug 2015 #2
Another white liberal here to correct a misunderstanding. pnwmom Aug 2015 #3
All good points. Thank you. n/t intheflow Aug 2015 #4
Your last point is the one that sticks with me. PeaceNikki Aug 2015 #5
Agreed. intheflow Aug 2015 #11
He had a leader of BLM speak in a official capacity at the event before he was trolled Exultant Democracy Aug 2015 #15
Just a thought; but, maybe ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #36
I don't think that this post will get many replies shaayecanaan Aug 2015 #6
Thank you for a thoughtful reply. intheflow Aug 2015 #7
A couple more points shaayecanaan Aug 2015 #16
Correction ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #37
Thank you for the correction. intheflow Aug 2015 #38
Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #39
Agreed. intheflow Aug 2015 #41
Yes. I agree that the thought was to ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #42
Yesterday's disruption of Bernie's rally was borne from the failure of Democrats at Netroots... MrScorpio Aug 2015 #8
Many thanks for this. n/t OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #9
Thank you so much for this deep and rich response. intheflow Aug 2015 #10
Listen to MrScorpio JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #18
This should be an OP BainsBane Aug 2015 #12
Excellent post! n/t Spazito Aug 2015 #13
That is great Mr. Scorpio. Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #14
I simply cannot thank you enough for this post. I think many of us have long since stopped trying Number23 Aug 2015 #17
Great post, thank you so much. n/t emulatorloo Aug 2015 #20
Thank you so much for your explanatory post on why #BlackLiveMatter are doing what they're Cha Aug 2015 #25
Excellent reply. giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #29
MrScorpio! I cannot praise this enough! Struggling to elucidate this, but here it is. Thank you. n/t freshwest Aug 2015 #31
MrScorpio, you should make this an OP n/t irisblue Aug 2015 #19
I could do that, but I don't think that DU is ready for it right now... MrScorpio Aug 2015 #21
"Here I can tell the truth." Which is why this forum has been absolutely BLANKETED with alerts Number23 Aug 2015 #22
You're awesome Scorp. joshcryer Aug 2015 #23
"Their capacity for self-delusion is inexhaustible." Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #24
yeah, I thought it would make a Compelling OP, too.. but, also see why you Cha Aug 2015 #26
This part here is something they should think about: freshwest Aug 2015 #32
Here's a post I ran across on FB from a White Woman.. that attempts to explain Cha Aug 2015 #27
Mahalo to you, Cha. intheflow Aug 2015 #30
What would be the point of going to the GOP? giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #28
Why should any POC or woman or gay go to the GOP? Half the Democratic Party is composed of such. freshwest Aug 2015 #33
Historically, groups protesting injustice have protested the most unjust against their causes. intheflow Aug 2015 #34
We have no point in trying to talk sense into the GOP, giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #35
My son's live's are at stake & their college is already paid for so that's a non issue for me. onpatrol98 Aug 2015 #40
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