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45. To which I would respond Blacks were given NOTHING:
Sun Aug 9, 2015, 09:47 PM
Aug 2015
James Baldwin debates William F. Buckley Jr. at Cambridge University | The Resolution: “Is the American Dream at the expense of the American Negro?”

Transcript and comment:

Baldwin goes on to eloquently state the affirmative in what has to be one of the most encompassing and moving soliloquies I have ever heard. Excerpts follow, but do not sell yourselves short, watch it in its entirety:

“The white South African or Mississippi sharecropper or Alabama sheriff has at bottom a system of reality which compels them really to believe when they face the Negro that this woman, this man, this child must be insane to attack the system to which he owes his entire identity.”

“In the case of the American Negro, from the moment you are born every stick and stone, every face, is white. Since you have not yet seen a mirror, you suppose you are, too. It comes as a great shock around the age of 5, 6, or 7 to discover that the flag to which you have pledged allegiance, along with everybody else, has not pledged allegiance to you. It comes as a great shock to see Gary Cooper killing off the Indians, and although you are rooting for Gary Cooper, that the Indians are you.”

“From a very literal point of view, the harbors and the ports and the railroads of the country—the economy, especially in the South—could not conceivably be what they are if it had not been (and this is still so) for cheap labor. I am speaking very seriously, and this is not an overstatement: I picked cotton, I carried it to the market, I built the railroads under someone else’s whip for nothing. For nothing.”

"The Southern oligarchy which has still today so very much power in Washington, and therefore some power in the world, was created by my labor and my sweat and the violation of my women and the murder of my children. This in the land of the free, the home of the brave.”

“Sheriff Clark in Selma, Ala., cannot be dismissed as a total monster; I am sure he loves his wife and children and likes to get drunk. One has to assume that he is a man like me. But he does not know what drives him to use the club, to menace with the gun and to use the cattle prod. Something awful must have happened to a human being to be able to put a cattle prod against a woman’s breasts. What happens to the woman is ghastly. What happens to the man who does it is in some ways much, much worse. Their moral lives have been destroyed by the plague called color.”

“It is a terrible thing for an entire people to surrender to the notion that one-ninth of its population is beneath them. Until the moment comes when we, the Americans, are able to accept the fact that my ancestors are both black and white, that on that continent we are trying to forge a new identity, that we need each other, that I am not a ward of America, I am not an object of missionary charity, I am one of the people who built the country—until this moment comes there is scarcely any hope for the American dream. If the people are denied participation in it, by their very presence they will wreck it. And if that happens it is a very grave moment for the West.”


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The video is long, but worth it to hear all that Baldwin says to Buckley:

James Baldwin Debates William F. Buckley (1965)



Published on Oct 27, 2012

Historic debate between James Baldwin v. William F. Buckley Jr. at Cambridge University on the question: "Is the American Dream at the expense of the American Negro?"

She's running a very smooth campaign and I'm sure she's taking notes gollygee Aug 2015 #1
"They might as well be doing canvassing work for Clinton." Number23 Aug 2015 #3
His statement regarding the Seattle disruption isn't going to help him at all, imo... Spazito Aug 2015 #7
Sanders is tone deaf as hell on race issues. That's what all of the screaming, frothing and over the Number23 Aug 2015 #12
Well let's see now. RoccoR5955 Aug 2015 #17
Thank you for proving my point in the OP better than I could have done myself. Number23 Aug 2015 #23
He only walked off the stage passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #80
Walking off the stage is not the same as "conceding the mic" but go ahead and pretend that it is Number23 Aug 2015 #85
"you attract more flies with sugar than you do with vinegar" Spazito Aug 2015 #36
Yeah, that was pretty ironic. gollygee Aug 2015 #117
Back in June, I wound up watching CLinton's meeting with black community Gloria Aug 2015 #82
They weren't looking for flies. They wanted media attention and they wanted people to MADem Aug 2015 #140
Tone deaf as hell? I'm having trouble listening to the song you're singing. He is responsive and Ed Suspicious Aug 2015 #30
Did you sing this same stupid song when this entire web site shit all over every thing that Number23 Aug 2015 #38
So.... no one on this website is allowed to disagree with you? villager Aug 2015 #78
Why are you guys all haunting this forum today? Number23 Aug 2015 #84
Who are "you guys?" villager Aug 2015 #91
You guys being "people that have never once seen fit to step a toe in the AA forum to discuss Number23 Aug 2015 #93
Well, with a header with the word "stupid" in it, I don't think "discussion" is your main priority villager Aug 2015 #94
Yeah, there are so many posts in this forum with the word 'stupid' in it. That's why you've never Number23 Aug 2015 #95
Well, you're up pretty late for someone not losing any sleep. villager Aug 2015 #97
It's afternoon where I am and I tend to be hostile to people that are hostile to my community Number23 Aug 2015 #98
So I'm "hostile to your community?" villager Aug 2015 #99
Please trash this forum. Or just don't return. Number23 Aug 2015 #101
I've got a better idea. villager Aug 2015 #102
It doesn't appear that you do. Number23 Aug 2015 #103
I may have not discussed anything in an AA forum RoccoR5955 Aug 2015 #114
Did they call for someone's JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #118
AKA OilemFirchen Aug 2015 #122
Results... Major Nikon Aug 2015 #86
This is the third post of mine that has been juried... TODAY. Number23 Aug 2015 #90
It's been abundantly clear in my juries today. joshcryer Aug 2015 #96
It is. And I should have qualified that by saying that was the third post THAT I KNOW ABOUT that's Number23 Aug 2015 #100
Yep, looks like you're next Bobbie Jo Aug 2015 #116
Who was this well-known person? PoutrageFatigue Aug 2015 #127
That sucks. RoccoR5955 Aug 2015 #141
Black Americans can feel anyway they want about bernie.. it's not yours or anyone's place to tell Cha Aug 2015 #111
Not so tone deaf ...he just hired a black female as his press agent. nt kelliekat44 Aug 2015 #68
Under pressure. Other candidates knew about diversity before 2015. n/t Tarheel_Dem Aug 2015 #132
Who is coming to him from RALPH NADER! Yep--that's her last boss! MADem Aug 2015 #139
Oh ffs. I didn't know that. greatauntoftriplets Aug 2015 #142
Holy shit... SERIOUSLY???! Number23 Aug 2015 #144
Yep--she worked at Ralph's Citizens Utd. She touts it--it's not a secret. MADem Aug 2015 #147
Wow. BumRushDaShow Aug 2015 #156
This is what I find disturbing, the meme I'm hearing: freshwest Aug 2015 #92
I agree... OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #119
Couldn't have said it better myself! FloridaBlues Aug 2015 #26
You Gotta Be Joking billhicks76 Aug 2015 #60
I have no idea what you're talking about or why you posted this is in this thread Number23 Aug 2015 #71
They Won't Disrupt Hillary billhicks76 Aug 2015 #76
As I clearly said in my OP, anyone that thinks that #BLM won't disrupt Hillary has no freaking clue Number23 Aug 2015 #87
Time Will Tell billhicks76 Aug 2015 #89
I have to disagree ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #125
Oh my! JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #128
Not quite that smooth shaayecanaan Aug 2015 #64
I'm going to go on ahead and kick this JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #2
"Storm Troopers in the making" If only! Number23 Aug 2015 #5
Love your GIF's Number23. sheshe2 Aug 2015 #28
I don't know why but there is a whole SLEW of dancing Storm Troopers images! Number23 Aug 2015 #39
You are so asking the wrong person if you missed something! sheshe2 Aug 2015 #52
So much symbolism in that pic that applies! But you said HRC would be moonwalking: freshwest Aug 2015 #43
i said in the other threads that Bill Clinton would have had no JI7 Aug 2015 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author FreakinDJ Aug 2015 #6
You are in the AA forum. Now, DU is full of mouth breathers that think that #BLM are PUMAs Number23 Aug 2015 #9
The Black Tea Party JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #50
An alert was sent on this post. Lisa D Aug 2015 #69
Thank you. And thanks to jurors 1 and 5 who requested that people here STOP TRYING TO SHUT Number23 Aug 2015 #70
I hope so too. Lisa D Aug 2015 #72
Then it is a privilege to meet you. Number23 Aug 2015 #73
I support HRC but gwheezie Aug 2015 #8
"If it's lame, she'll know it."You got that right. They will make GOOD AND SURE that Number23 Aug 2015 #10
Well.... mudstump Aug 2015 #56
A most excellent & logical response. Thanks for that. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2015 #133
At risk of getting kicked out... SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #11
His statement at NRN about "if you don't want me here after all I've done" was worse than storming Number23 Aug 2015 #13
I didn't hear that either, myself, but SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #14
It was a paraphrase. But if you look at his remarks during the event, he said something like "I've Number23 Aug 2015 #18
I will look. Thank you. nt SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #21
"or bring up shit that happened before everyone in the room was even alive." catnhatnh Aug 2015 #15
Exactly! You nailed it! Thanks for chiming in! Number23 Aug 2015 #19
People who think BLM are Hillary supporters must just not follow any Black activists on social media. Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #16
They don't just NOT follow black activists, they don't follow black people PERIOD. Unless they are Number23 Aug 2015 #20
I have never had the tiniest thought SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #22
You got that right gwheezie Aug 2015 #24
Same here. Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #32
Could you please tell me SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #46
It's just a name, it's Twitter, with a core of Black posters who stay on top of issues Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #59
Thank you. nt SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #61
I look forward to #BlackLivesMatter Protesting where Hillary speaks, 23.. Thank you! Cha Aug 2015 #25
I do too! leftofcool Aug 2015 #166
K & R Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #27
Hilary's security is so tight that it will be next to impossible to disrupt her, or any of the HoosierRadical Aug 2015 #29
I'm not cutting her any slack gwheezie Aug 2015 #33
There are two links in the thread where she says whites should humble themselves to BLM and also a freshwest Aug 2015 #124
Thanks for the OP. sheshe2 Aug 2015 #31
Why Would Any Citizen - Black Or Otherwise - Vote For A Member Of The 1% cantbeserious Aug 2015 #34
Yep JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #51
WJC and HRC - Adjusted Gross Income 140 Million Since 2007 cantbeserious Aug 2015 #53
I don't care JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #109
Then One Must Support Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks - HRC Does cantbeserious Aug 2015 #112
Yep - I sure do! JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #115
+1. Geezus Gawd, it sounds like somebody swallowed an Occupy manual & threw it up in here. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2015 #134
I will see that and raise you DonCoquixote Aug 2015 #35
"when BLM comes, they will bring out Michelle and Barack." Number23 Aug 2015 #40
Thank You for This Post lib87 Aug 2015 #37
There are white people constantly doing the "shame on you for not lapping Sanders' toes after Number23 Aug 2015 #41
If Only We Would Listen! lib87 Aug 2015 #42
To which I would respond Blacks were given NOTHING: freshwest Aug 2015 #45
It wasn't HRC who met with BLM . . . it was LaDavia Drane, HRC's black outreach director Petrushka Aug 2015 #105
Her Black outreach director met with BLM and others Black groups/leaders to get information. lib87 Aug 2015 #106
Please deposit $2,700 for admittance... TheProgressive Aug 2015 #44
LOL jalan48 Aug 2015 #48
It costs nothing to remember Mr Brown this evening JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #55
I would agree with that. jalan48 Aug 2015 #57
That wouldn't have worked with you JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #62
Good luck. jalan48 Aug 2015 #79
It costs nothing to remember Mr. brown this evening JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #54
I was responding to the thread, JustAnotherGem... TheProgressive Aug 2015 #58
Not DU posters - just the Protected Group JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #63
Can you tell me what I did or doing wrong? TheProgressive Aug 2015 #65
Sorry - we aren't doing that anymore JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #107
It's only a grand for Sanders--but he's not pulling the same percentage of the vote, either. MADem Aug 2015 #143
Well, I don't have a $1K. Some folks are running way past my speed. n/t freshwest Aug 2015 #158
Right? ismnotwasm Aug 2015 #47
"I don't where all this CT woo woo bulshit came from". Tarheel_Dem Aug 2015 #135
And they are calling for help, FFS! White liberals are supposed to be their friends... freshwest Aug 2015 #159
Oh really? passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #49
He performed badly. Poorly. Terribly. Or whatever synonym for badly you prefer. Number23 Aug 2015 #74
"Bernie Sanders Blew a Huge Opportunity at Netroots Nation" and this is from The Nation.. and all Cha Aug 2015 #104
He did so poorly that now a BLM rep has a job on his campaign. arcane1 Aug 2015 #126
One whole... ENTIRE... rep??! Well hell, break out the champaigne!! Number23 Aug 2015 #145
Mock her all you want. It's all that's left of this smear, so milk it while you can. arcane1 Aug 2015 #146
Well with one whole #BLM rep front and center, how could you NOT take her seriously??! Number23 Aug 2015 #149
Since mocking well-meaning black people is your only response, I bid you good-day n/t arcane1 Aug 2015 #150
It doesn't surprise me in the least that you think that I'm mocking the black person Number23 Aug 2015 #151
I fear passions are being played by those that will benefit the most AuntPatsy Aug 2015 #66
What rallies? Fearless Aug 2015 #67
They gave him a golden opportunity yesterday to make up for Netroots BainsBane Aug 2015 #75
^^ Yes about not throwing a movement under the bus. n/t OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #120
If you think A GitRDun Aug 2015 #77
I'll one up ya. If BLM only attacks Democrats, they are as stupid as they come. BillZBubb Aug 2015 #81
Your posts attacking #BLM are not welcome in this forum. Number23 Aug 2015 #88
Barbara Jordan explained why the Democratic Party has a greater responsibility than the GOP: freshwest Aug 2015 #165
You aren't "one upping" anyone or anything.. "they are as stupid as they come".. says everything Cha Aug 2015 #110
Are you fucking kidding me? nc4bo Aug 2015 #113
With the wind at their backs from the TEA Party JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #121
No, she will not have any protester of any kind get that close to her, let alone push her around on glowing Aug 2015 #83
I think it will more likely be Sanders supporters JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #108
She was criticized by BLM via social media back in June BumRushDaShow Aug 2015 #123
So they've protested her but that was mostly through Black Twitter, not in her face Number23 Aug 2015 #148
Basically but note this BumRushDaShow Aug 2015 #155
Bb-but protesting the TPP is the work of enlightened, noble liberals! It's okay to interrupt speeche Number23 Aug 2015 #157
The sad thing is BumRushDaShow Aug 2015 #160
I'm reasonably certain cheapdate Aug 2015 #129
Probably so ... So why come here to post ... you have the rest of DU ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #130
Because the OP is shown in the list of topics for discussion cheapdate Aug 2015 #136
Okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #138
Then you can show yourself out of here, I'm sure. Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #131
Perfect answer! cheapdate Aug 2015 #137
Sanders was interrupted by a Christian activist and Sarah Palin fan. applegrove Aug 2015 #152
You win. tblue Aug 2015 #153
"Me, I'm gonna check out of the DU Hotel for a while." Number23 Aug 2015 #154
This was an epically prophetic post: joshcryer Aug 2015 #161
I don't see how since what you point out wasn't a disruption of anything and her "honesty" TheKentuckian Aug 2015 #162
No one is suprised that you think this OP was wrong. No one. Number23 Aug 2015 #163
Nor should they be any more than one would be that water is wet because it is like that TheKentuckian Aug 2015 #167
This is all riveting. Really Number23 Aug 2015 #168
Doesn't matter JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #169
It was obvious to everyone with a good eye what was going to happen Number23 Aug 2015 #164
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