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In reply to the discussion: Anyone, and I mean ANYONE that doesn't think that #BLM will not disrupt Hillary is as stupid as they [View all]freshwest
(53,661 posts)45. To which I would respond Blacks were given NOTHING:
James Baldwin debates William F. Buckley Jr. at Cambridge University | The Resolution: Is the American Dream at the expense of the American Negro?
Transcript and comment:
Baldwin goes on to eloquently state the affirmative in what has to be one of the most encompassing and moving soliloquies I have ever heard. Excerpts follow, but do not sell yourselves short, watch it in its entirety:
The white South African or Mississippi sharecropper or Alabama sheriff has at bottom a system of reality which compels them really to believe when they face the Negro that this woman, this man, this child must be insane to attack the system to which he owes his entire identity.
In the case of the American Negro, from the moment you are born every stick and stone, every face, is white. Since you have not yet seen a mirror, you suppose you are, too. It comes as a great shock around the age of 5, 6, or 7 to discover that the flag to which you have pledged allegiance, along with everybody else, has not pledged allegiance to you. It comes as a great shock to see Gary Cooper killing off the Indians, and although you are rooting for Gary Cooper, that the Indians are you.
From a very literal point of view, the harbors and the ports and the railroads of the countrythe economy, especially in the Southcould not conceivably be what they are if it had not been (and this is still so) for cheap labor. I am speaking very seriously, and this is not an overstatement: I picked cotton, I carried it to the market, I built the railroads under someone elses whip for nothing. For nothing.
"The Southern oligarchy which has still today so very much power in Washington, and therefore some power in the world, was created by my labor and my sweat and the violation of my women and the murder of my children. This in the land of the free, the home of the brave.
Sheriff Clark in Selma, Ala., cannot be dismissed as a total monster; I am sure he loves his wife and children and likes to get drunk. One has to assume that he is a man like me. But he does not know what drives him to use the club, to menace with the gun and to use the cattle prod. Something awful must have happened to a human being to be able to put a cattle prod against a womans breasts. What happens to the woman is ghastly. What happens to the man who does it is in some ways much, much worse. Their moral lives have been destroyed by the plague called color.
It is a terrible thing for an entire people to surrender to the notion that one-ninth of its population is beneath them. Until the moment comes when we, the Americans, are able to accept the fact that my ancestors are both black and white, that on that continent we are trying to forge a new identity, that we need each other, that I am not a ward of America, I am not an object of missionary charity, I am one of the people who built the countryuntil this moment comes there is scarcely any hope for the American dream. If the people are denied participation in it, by their very presence they will wreck it. And if that happens it is a very grave moment for the West.
http://bacanisays.tumblr.com/
The video is long, but worth it to hear all that Baldwin says to Buckley:
James Baldwin Debates William F. Buckley (1965)
Published on Oct 27, 2012
Historic debate between James Baldwin v. William F. Buckley Jr. at Cambridge University on the question: "Is the American Dream at the expense of the American Negro?"
Transcript and comment:
Baldwin goes on to eloquently state the affirmative in what has to be one of the most encompassing and moving soliloquies I have ever heard. Excerpts follow, but do not sell yourselves short, watch it in its entirety:
The white South African or Mississippi sharecropper or Alabama sheriff has at bottom a system of reality which compels them really to believe when they face the Negro that this woman, this man, this child must be insane to attack the system to which he owes his entire identity.
In the case of the American Negro, from the moment you are born every stick and stone, every face, is white. Since you have not yet seen a mirror, you suppose you are, too. It comes as a great shock around the age of 5, 6, or 7 to discover that the flag to which you have pledged allegiance, along with everybody else, has not pledged allegiance to you. It comes as a great shock to see Gary Cooper killing off the Indians, and although you are rooting for Gary Cooper, that the Indians are you.
From a very literal point of view, the harbors and the ports and the railroads of the countrythe economy, especially in the Southcould not conceivably be what they are if it had not been (and this is still so) for cheap labor. I am speaking very seriously, and this is not an overstatement: I picked cotton, I carried it to the market, I built the railroads under someone elses whip for nothing. For nothing.
"The Southern oligarchy which has still today so very much power in Washington, and therefore some power in the world, was created by my labor and my sweat and the violation of my women and the murder of my children. This in the land of the free, the home of the brave.
Sheriff Clark in Selma, Ala., cannot be dismissed as a total monster; I am sure he loves his wife and children and likes to get drunk. One has to assume that he is a man like me. But he does not know what drives him to use the club, to menace with the gun and to use the cattle prod. Something awful must have happened to a human being to be able to put a cattle prod against a womans breasts. What happens to the woman is ghastly. What happens to the man who does it is in some ways much, much worse. Their moral lives have been destroyed by the plague called color.
It is a terrible thing for an entire people to surrender to the notion that one-ninth of its population is beneath them. Until the moment comes when we, the Americans, are able to accept the fact that my ancestors are both black and white, that on that continent we are trying to forge a new identity, that we need each other, that I am not a ward of America, I am not an object of missionary charity, I am one of the people who built the countryuntil this moment comes there is scarcely any hope for the American dream. If the people are denied participation in it, by their very presence they will wreck it. And if that happens it is a very grave moment for the West.
http://bacanisays.tumblr.com/
The video is long, but worth it to hear all that Baldwin says to Buckley:
James Baldwin Debates William F. Buckley (1965)
Published on Oct 27, 2012
Historic debate between James Baldwin v. William F. Buckley Jr. at Cambridge University on the question: "Is the American Dream at the expense of the American Negro?"
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Anyone, and I mean ANYONE that doesn't think that #BLM will not disrupt Hillary is as stupid as they [View all]
Number23
Aug 2015
OP
His statement regarding the Seattle disruption isn't going to help him at all, imo...
Spazito
Aug 2015
#7
Sanders is tone deaf as hell on race issues. That's what all of the screaming, frothing and over the
Number23
Aug 2015
#12
Thank you for proving my point in the OP better than I could have done myself.
Number23
Aug 2015
#23
Walking off the stage is not the same as "conceding the mic" but go ahead and pretend that it is
Number23
Aug 2015
#85
They weren't looking for flies. They wanted media attention and they wanted people to
MADem
Aug 2015
#140
Tone deaf as hell? I'm having trouble listening to the song you're singing. He is responsive and
Ed Suspicious
Aug 2015
#30
Did you sing this same stupid song when this entire web site shit all over every thing that
Number23
Aug 2015
#38
You guys being "people that have never once seen fit to step a toe in the AA forum to discuss
Number23
Aug 2015
#93
Well, with a header with the word "stupid" in it, I don't think "discussion" is your main priority
villager
Aug 2015
#94
Yeah, there are so many posts in this forum with the word 'stupid' in it. That's why you've never
Number23
Aug 2015
#95
It's afternoon where I am and I tend to be hostile to people that are hostile to my community
Number23
Aug 2015
#98
It is. And I should have qualified that by saying that was the third post THAT I KNOW ABOUT that's
Number23
Aug 2015
#100
Black Americans can feel anyway they want about bernie.. it's not yours or anyone's place to tell
Cha
Aug 2015
#111
I have no idea what you're talking about or why you posted this is in this thread
Number23
Aug 2015
#71
As I clearly said in my OP, anyone that thinks that #BLM won't disrupt Hillary has no freaking clue
Number23
Aug 2015
#87
So much symbolism in that pic that applies! But you said HRC would be moonwalking:
freshwest
Aug 2015
#43
You are in the AA forum. Now, DU is full of mouth breathers that think that #BLM are PUMAs
Number23
Aug 2015
#9
Thank you. And thanks to jurors 1 and 5 who requested that people here STOP TRYING TO SHUT
Number23
Aug 2015
#70
"If it's lame, she'll know it."You got that right. They will make GOOD AND SURE that
Number23
Aug 2015
#10
His statement at NRN about "if you don't want me here after all I've done" was worse than storming
Number23
Aug 2015
#13
It was a paraphrase. But if you look at his remarks during the event, he said something like "I've
Number23
Aug 2015
#18
People who think BLM are Hillary supporters must just not follow any Black activists on social media.
Starry Messenger
Aug 2015
#16
They don't just NOT follow black activists, they don't follow black people PERIOD. Unless they are
Number23
Aug 2015
#20
It's just a name, it's Twitter, with a core of Black posters who stay on top of issues
Starry Messenger
Aug 2015
#59
I look forward to #BlackLivesMatter Protesting where Hillary speaks, 23.. Thank you!
Cha
Aug 2015
#25
Hilary's security is so tight that it will be next to impossible to disrupt her, or any of the
HoosierRadical
Aug 2015
#29
There are two links in the thread where she says whites should humble themselves to BLM and also a
freshwest
Aug 2015
#124
+1. Geezus Gawd, it sounds like somebody swallowed an Occupy manual & threw it up in here.
Tarheel_Dem
Aug 2015
#134
There are white people constantly doing the "shame on you for not lapping Sanders' toes after
Number23
Aug 2015
#41
It wasn't HRC who met with BLM . . . it was LaDavia Drane, HRC's black outreach director
Petrushka
Aug 2015
#105
Her Black outreach director met with BLM and others Black groups/leaders to get information.
lib87
Aug 2015
#106
It's only a grand for Sanders--but he's not pulling the same percentage of the vote, either.
MADem
Aug 2015
#143
And they are calling for help, FFS! White liberals are supposed to be their friends...
freshwest
Aug 2015
#159
He performed badly. Poorly. Terribly. Or whatever synonym for badly you prefer.
Number23
Aug 2015
#74
"Bernie Sanders Blew a Huge Opportunity at Netroots Nation" and this is from The Nation.. and all
Cha
Aug 2015
#104
Mock her all you want. It's all that's left of this smear, so milk it while you can.
arcane1
Aug 2015
#146
Well with one whole #BLM rep front and center, how could you NOT take her seriously??!
Number23
Aug 2015
#149
Since mocking well-meaning black people is your only response, I bid you good-day n/t
arcane1
Aug 2015
#150
It doesn't surprise me in the least that you think that I'm mocking the black person
Number23
Aug 2015
#151
I'll one up ya. If BLM only attacks Democrats, they are as stupid as they come.
BillZBubb
Aug 2015
#81
Barbara Jordan explained why the Democratic Party has a greater responsibility than the GOP:
freshwest
Aug 2015
#165
You aren't "one upping" anyone or anything.. "they are as stupid as they come".. says everything
Cha
Aug 2015
#110
No, she will not have any protester of any kind get that close to her, let alone push her around on
glowing
Aug 2015
#83
So they've protested her but that was mostly through Black Twitter, not in her face
Number23
Aug 2015
#148
Bb-but protesting the TPP is the work of enlightened, noble liberals! It's okay to interrupt speeche
Number23
Aug 2015
#157
Probably so ... So why come here to post ... you have the rest of DU ...
1StrongBlackMan
Aug 2015
#130
I don't see how since what you point out wasn't a disruption of anything and her "honesty"
TheKentuckian
Aug 2015
#162
Nor should they be any more than one would be that water is wet because it is like that
TheKentuckian
Aug 2015
#167