It's amazing how little we (in the US, at DU, whatever) actually fully communicate about racism

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2. I think they are really not listening.

Usually when you dig a little further into these discussions, the person being defensive will end with tone policing, citing your attitude or emotional state for the reason they won't continue "listening."

I've noticed the new DU wrinkle of white posters being indignant that white supremacy is being discussed by white women. Or maybe that's an old trope and this is the first time I've run into it.

Then there are people who are so defensive that they think POC or white people trying to dismantle racism, are actually racists (the so-called "SJW".) Sadly, a writer I used to like uncloaked as this kind of asshole several years ago and he encourages this thinking among his minions. He's a bigtime "it's class, not race" guy and is totally dug into his bigoted world-view.