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bettyellen

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51. think twice before you get behind any conspiracy theories. there is a lot of paranoia on the net,

Sat Sep 12, 2015, 12:06 AM

Sep 2015

and hostility is too easy for many. Lots of groups are going to try and influence the candidate, and we all need to evaluate how important their issues are to both us and the party. There seems to be a lot of anger at POC here for not supporting Sanders in large enough percentages, and you see it again and again in attacks to this group and it's members elsewhere on DU.

A lot of people devalue the fight for social justice in ways similar to your OP -often while exhibiting how little they know about it's history and giving away their basic disinterest. These same people deride POC here (as well as women) as stupid pawns, while for the most part they make it clear they themselves have nothing to lose by shelving SJ issues. And their love of Bernie has all to do with the economy- and their paychecks. Yet they come here and preach to people to not be so self interested, and to set their concerns about life and death issues aside, and work for Bernie. It never goes over well.

How about you resist the urge to go along with the paranoid blowhards who don't care if they alienate huge and significantly loyal voting blocks such as AAs and women? Some of them admit they are actually be more interested in splitting the party than winning. And the fact is, they can't win without more of us. Figure out how you can win people over for your candidate while respecting their needs too, and you'll be head and shoulders ahead of a lot of people here. It should not be this hard.

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The oldest 1% trick in the book [View all] mhatrw Sep 2015 OP

Exactly. But why should they give up on a playbook that's always worked for them? villager Sep 2015 #1

You're absolutely right. Because racism has only ever been perpetrated on people of color Number23 Sep 2015 #2

Where did I say or imply such an inane idea? mhatrw Sep 2015 #3

And like I said, because only rich white people have ever perpetuated or BENEFITED from racism Number23 Sep 2015 #7

So you disagree that they have benefited the most historically mhatrw Sep 2015 #8

I literally could not disagree more with your premise. Hard to believe you are having so much troubl Number23 Sep 2015 #9

My premise is that power brokers throughout history have mhatrw Sep 2015 #10

Stepping in this here JustAnotherGen Sep 2015 #11

If I might step in and respond.... yardwork Sep 2015 #14

Put yourself in my shoes - let me bring you up to speed JustAnotherGen Sep 2015 #17

I'm not a member of the Bernie Sanders group. yardwork Sep 2015 #19

Start with the first two links JustAnotherGen Sep 2015 #21

Thank you! I checked out the links and they confirm that your group is being targeted. yardwork Sep 2015 #23

You totally totally get it JustAnotherGen Sep 2015 #24

Lol Yardwork GitRDun Sep 2015 #52

We actually have three white hosts! Number23 Sep 2015 #58

There it is! JustAnotherGen Sep 2015 #60

Thank you Chitown Kev Sep 2015 #48

That's not what the OP is saying. yardwork Sep 2015 #15

Something to consider JustAnotherGen Sep 2015 #18

Very good point. yardwork Sep 2015 #22

heheh...All these years and I thought you were a guy - well, HOWDY, yard. blm Sep 2015 #28

Howdy! I guess it's my handle. yardwork Sep 2015 #30

((oldbuddy)) blm Sep 2015 #31

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I'm really not interested in this line of thinking particularly as it doesn't seem to encompass much Number23 Sep 2015 #43

so how do attacks on 1 percenter black people like the tennis guy work into all of this ? JI7 Sep 2015 #4

Racism is encouraged by those in power because it keeps natural political allies mhatrw Sep 2015 #5

However bigotry and prejudice JustAnotherGen Sep 2015 #20

And i would say that is more likely than people JI7 Sep 2015 #37

It shows why economic justice won't solve the problem. The tennis guy pnwmom Sep 2015 #71

Allies don't patronize and attack the people they claim to support. Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #6

Yes, that is what is happening here. yardwork Sep 2015 #12

Sometimes people are just racist gollygee Sep 2015 #13

people are racist because their culture teaches them to be so. yardwork Sep 2015 #16

If you'd actually spent any time here, or in dozens of threads aimed at POC here- you'd know this bettyellen Sep 2015 #25

A year ago when a rightwing prick on another board told me they were going to be able randys1 Sep 2015 #29

The people helping to take down a Democrat are naive, stupid, yardwork Sep 2015 #32

I agree with the RWers using DU to try and split the party. No one I know in RL is stupid enough to bettyellen Sep 2015 #35

Thank you, bettyellen. Number23 Sep 2015 #44

If you're going to try to teach people something 1) do your homework 2) don't cut and paste crap bettyellen Sep 2015 #45

Yep! blm Sep 2015 #26

True. GoneFishin Sep 2015 #27

It's not 1%'ers that are alert stalking African American posters on DU. stevenleser Sep 2015 #34

Yes, I am new here. I did not mean to give you a whitesplain lecture. mhatrw Sep 2015 #36

but people don't agree. look at kim davis. her bigotry isn't due to JI7 Sep 2015 #38

Sadly, people in general don't agree. But lots of people around here do. mhatrw Sep 2015 #39

Some people actually do care about social issues more than economic JI7 Sep 2015 #40

Teaparty votes against their own literal survival SO they can vote for someone randys1 Sep 2015 #41

Right. Many bigots care about their bigotry more than economic issues. mhatrw Sep 2015 #42

which is why it is on people like you and me to support BLM and our brothers and sisters - bettyellen Sep 2015 #46

Again, I am new here. mhatrw Sep 2015 #47

think twice before you get behind any conspiracy theories. there is a lot of paranoia on the net, bettyellen Sep 2015 #51

I think you mischaracterize the fundamental disagreement. mhatrw Sep 2015 #56

LOL Chitown Kev Sep 2015 #49

OK. I guess you know my motivations better than I do. mhatrw Sep 2015 #50

Politically active black people Chitown Kev Sep 2015 #53

Because it was the first thing that came to my stupid naive white mind mhatrw Sep 2015 #54

Ok, let me say "om" three times, first... Chitown Kev Sep 2015 #55

I get it now. And I stand with bravenak. mhatrw Sep 2015 #57

Yes, it is NOT that POC are not strongly for economic justice Chitown Kev Sep 2015 #59

And Medicare and Medicaid are also administered differently according to race. mhatrw Sep 2015 #61

even if it IS a 1%er Divide and Conquer tactic JustAnotherGen Sep 2015 #62

I have disowned the OP several times now. mhatrw Sep 2015 #64

Perhaps you should spend some time reading a bunch of threads here yourself? The expectation that bettyellen Sep 2015 #66

OK, I get that educating people is tiresome. mhatrw Sep 2015 #67

So start a thread asking questions! Would't that be a reasonable alternative to doing research? bettyellen Sep 2015 #68

I've been reading and taking your advice. mhatrw Sep 2015 #69

That is awesome! I think it is important to realize how complex the issues are- and it truly is bettyellen Sep 2015 #70

Will this be on the final exam? betsuni Sep 2015 #63

point taken mhatrw Sep 2015 #65